My 1943 Willys MB

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[Michigan45MB]

[Tom Wolboldt]

Hi Mark, Chris, and Fred,

Is this a third straight MZ ? http://www.g503.com/serial-numbers/view ... rd_id=3754

Perhaps you already know about it but with a made-up serial number to match the ACM type 1 radio body number of 2030 it may be hard to spot it in the weeds.

[Mark Tombleson]

Hi Chris.

In that last photo of yours you can see the antenna cable hood on the side of the jeep next to the seat. You also can see the front holes for the battery box behind the seat an the back of the generator mount and terminal box chase that fits between the two batteries.

I missed that one, Tom.

Here are the numbers on the NOM-12 and MZ-1 that I have:
Body# Frame #
2072 Depot Rebuild
2161 From Tim Shelnutt body and frame damaged beyond repair.
2180 none

2260 206988 Chris (HAS MZ Data plate) this is a known MB-N.O.M. -12 radio jeep.

2671 Body only
3524 none
3721 234096 (May 1943)
3790 none (May 1943)
3818 Body only
3859 352520 (Estimated)
4001 Body only
4092 270679 (HAS MZ Data plate) this is a known MB-N.O.M. -12 radio jeep.
4235 352625 (HAS MZ-1 Data plate) this is a known MB-NAVY-MZ-1 radio jeep.

So, I need to add at the top this:

2030 206534 Steven Ostrov

What bothers me on this jeep Tom is the statement... "Vehicle was first registered in 1953 with CA DMV as a 1942 Willys MB with VIN# MB221193." Usually the frame and vin number are the same. I will email Steven Ostrov.

[Tom Wolboldt]

Hi Mark,

My guess is the number used for the vin # was the original MB motor number. In very early '43 a motor to frame spread of 14659 would seem just about correct.

Doing a little math :

Serial # 206938 - 206534 = 454
And
Body # 2260 - 2030 = 230 x 2 ( if all the NOM -12s were running down one assembly line and other MBs were on another assembly line ) = 460

If this would hold true some interesting theories could be worked on regards to NOM-12 production.

[Tom Wolboldt]

Hi Mark,

Here might have been another NOM-12 http://www.g503.com/serial-numbers/view ... ord_id=851

[Mark Tombleson]

I updated my information... seems I contacted Steve 2 years ago and forgot to include his info. I also found the frame number for body 2161.

Anyway here is the list.

Body# Frame #
2030 206534 Steve Ostrov This is a known MB-N.O.M. -12 radio jeep.
2072 Depot Rebuild
2161 214583 From Tim Shelnutt body and frame damaged beyond repair.
2180 none

2260 206988 Chris (HAS MZ Data plate) this is a known MB-N.O.M. -12 radio jeep.

2671 Body only
3050 have photo but other data unknown
3088 270857 johnny urrabazo
3524 none
3721 234096 (May 1943)
3790 none (May 1943)
3818 Body only
3859 352520 (Estimated)
4001 Body only
4092 270679 (HAS MZ Data plate) this is a known MB-N.O.M. -12 radio jeep. 10-23-43 DOD
4235 352625 (HAS MZ-1 Data plate) this is a known MB-NAVY-MZ-1 radio jeep.

Remember Navy contract NXss 17083 is dated 3 November 1942 for 1990 radio jeeps including both the NOM-12 (1400 est.) and the later MZ-1(590 est.).
Now that I see 214583 is confirmed by photos the other one on the serial number list, Peter Sliskovich MB-214649 fits right beside it. We have a pair at the end of January, end of February, May and October. I don't think we have enough information to consider the body numbers in progression with the frame numbers as 3088 and 4092 have frame numbers only 179 apart and some May jeeps between them. We are dealing with a very small group of bodies over a large range of frames and it kind of skews the data.

[2/14Marine]

I have good news and bad news. The good news is that the EGA and the font are the same. I compared against Chris's pictures. The decal has the same number of lines on the anchor. The bad news is that the decals are 8" vs the 4" in the pics. The decals have United States along the top and Marine Corps on the bottom. Chris's has Unted States Marine Corps on the top and Offical on the bottom. So there are some differences but a good looking decal though.

Semper Fi
Javier

[Michigan45MB]

That's still ok. I can have some made. I'm pretty handy with photoshop.

[pgcf]

Is anybody reproducing the WW2 USMC decals? I would be interested in a couple of sets.

[Mark Tombleson]

Not that I am aware of.

I sure would like a couple of sets also... maybe even a magnetic set.

Chris, I sure would like a location and photo of where that CVD-10182 data plate was located on your jeep?

[Tom Wolboldt]

Hi Mark,

Check out the fourth photo that Chris posted on the first page of this thread.

[Mark Tombleson]

Yeah, looked like it to me also...

That is not like mine at all. I dont think my MZ-1 had that plate or I would have seen some kind of screw pattern for it.

[Tom Wolboldt]

Hi Mark,

You did not have the plate cause you're SPECIAL!!!!!!!!

Also any idea why Chris's other data plate does not have a serial number but the weight is stamped ? Looks to me the MB data plates on the glove box door are long gone. A Marine Corp DoD sure would be nice every once in a while.

[Michigan45MB]

I'm very confident that I could reproduce the image.