Side Mount gas cans, a USMC policy?

[lucakiki]

Still trying unsuccessfully to jam that "yellowish/sand color" can into this discussion?

1) I fully support the idea that there may very well be something linking the yellowish/sand color to the "Mistery Cans".
2) Before you go off again, please post some photos of the "yellowish/sand color" cans,m because I do not recall anyone posting a picture of a can with that paint job on it that has the DESIGN and MFGER characteristics of the "Mystery Cans/American Prototypes".....

I am not trying to jam anything into the discussion. I am legitimately asking if anyone can spot if the jerrycan in the picture has remmnants of a darker paint on it, or if said jerrycan has dirt or lighter paint covering almost all of the darker paint .
Why I am asking?
Because I have not a picture of a yellowish tan (american made) two piece jerrycan in service, and that would be one, if that lighter coat is the base coat.

As for mystery cans having the characteristics of american manufacture AND that paint job, since you asked here you are.



Click on image to enlarge and admire remnants of paint...
Ask the owner of the cans about the base paint on them.

[Chuck Lutz]

Which of these four cans are you saying is "yellowish/sand color" and when was it painted, and by whom?
The Afrika Korps?
Montgomery's Desert Rats?
General Crimp One Off's forces?
Bubba?

And you KNOW exactly when and by whom they were painted so please tell us that?
Maybe you need to re-read 50 pages on the "PAINT" threads, all those guys who have jeeps painted one shade or another but no way to tell who painted them and when so there always remained some less than "100% safe evidence" of when that paint was applied.

Same thing here....not "definitive" by any means....I hate to tell you but something like the PAINT of an object is not as good a clue as the actual DESIGN and CONSTRUCTION details as far as identifying it's origin.....but I'm sure you can't admit that's true can ya?

[lucakiki]

Are you saying that all the guys who reported on their mistery cans being of that yellowish color ( o whatever they called it in an effort to describe what they were seeing) are perfect idiots, who cannot tell apart if the coat they are looking at, even in traces, is the first originally applied?

All the guys who answered the questions, did it in order to share what they were seeing, most of the times even snapping pictures.
There is only one guy who never went to through the hassle of snapping pictures, and merely keep reposting what other have posted in the past. No I am not telling his name, but you can try with one of your guesses.
A little help? He is the same guy who defines the german style spouts as having an oval shape: no I kid you not !

You asked for a picture of a mistery can with "american features" AND a the same time that yellowish color that is often present on many of those mistery cans, including those with the code, with or without holes on the front of the handles, with or without the hole on the tab, with a round or oval burp spout.
I was kind enough to post ( repost actually) a picture of cans showing remnants of paint.
If that is not enough, I could not care less.
Maybe the actual owner of the cans is willing to tell you more about the paint.
I am not adding more than that, as the moderation might object.

The percentage of mistery cans having that kind of color as a base does have relevance for sure: unfortunately we do not yet have a key to read it.
If you do not think it is relevant, why did you ask for a picture then?
No to stir the pot, hopefully.

[Chuck Lutz]

What I SAID was, I want to know if the paint on a jerry can that looks "old" was put on the by the country/company that mfgered it, by someone else in the field, by enemy forces who captured it or by Bubba.

Can you tell all that by a paint color?

No...you can't.....

[lucakiki]

What I SAID was, I want to know if the paint on a jerry can that looks "old" was put on the by the country/company that mfgered it, by someone else in the field, by enemy forces who captured it or by Bubba.

Can you tell all that by a paint color?

No...you can't.....

Here is what you asked for:

Before you go off again, please post some photos of the "yellowish/sand color" cans,m because I do not recall anyone posting a picture of a can with that paint job on it that has the DESIGN and MFGER characteristics of the "Mystery Cans/American Prototypes".....

Look at the picture, carefully, and decide by yourself. They have the features you require and there are remnants of paint.
Ask the owner, just to be sure: maybe he will care to answer.
Yes, I can tell by observing it if the remnants of paint on a jerrycan are from its original coat, and feel safe on what I find.
I asked Mike , for instance, about the remnants of paint on the can he turned into a German wasser can for a Display.
Do I trust him? you bet.
Do you trust him or not? Not my problem.
Robin owns a few cans of the kind. Ask him if any of these has the base color I mentioned.
If his answer is yes, ask him how can he tell if it is original.
If his answer is NO, ask him how does he know that the color he is seeing is original.

P.S. Do not blame me in the unlikely case you get rude answers.

[Chuck Lutz]

When were they painted?
Who painted them?
Who made the cans?
What color ARE they?
Are all the cans you say are "yellowish/sand color" actually painted the same color?

So...you can tell that the Afrika Korps "yellowish/sand color" paint was put on by the companies that MADE the cans in Germany before they were sent there? You can tell if cans painted for the Luftwaffe and the Heer and the SS were repainted in North Africa? You can tell if they were painted by Montgomery's forces when captured?

You can tell all this?

Wow.....please tell us as the Paint Threads pretty much shredded that kind of speculation everytime they come up regarding OD.

Can you tell if the 'base coat" under the layers of paint on any WWII jerrycan made by any source is a PRIMER or a finish coat?

Wow.....Actually you CAN'T of course, but you want Mike to say that....and you want Robin to say that so you don't HAVE to?

I just don't think that any of us can offer some of your famous "100% safe evidence" on the history of any cans with some "yellowish/sand color" on them and identify the mfger of them by that characteristic alson. Not when the actual mfger deisgn characteristics offer a better comparison since they can't be changed with a paint brush. You demand that "100% safe evidence" all the time in other threads....but you are perfectly happy to let other owners make a determination of what you can't tell for yourself?

Wow....

I'm not ready to look at a picture of a jerry can that has old paint on it and stick MY neck out and say "Oh Yes! That's GERMAN Afrika Korps Yellowish/Sand paint and therefore it's not a can from an American source!" ....but you want them to do that for you????

Wow...

[lucakiki]

I had legitimately asked about the possibility of the can in the picture being originally painted in a different color than the jeep. I had asked Mark, but you had to stick your nose in, with this comment:

Still trying unsuccessfully to jam that "yellowish/sand color" can into this discussion?

The Cavalry can perfectly judge if your comment was pertinent, informative, constructive, intelligent...

Then, you asked for a picture of a can with the features of an american made Mistery can and also with the kind of tan yellowish sand color originally applied on a number of mistery cans, as reported by many guys owning such jerrycans.

I posted the first picture I could find, with the features you required.
I cannot say for sure that the visible remmnants are actually what they look to be,but you can ask the actual owner of the can, given he will care to answer you. For sure, the color is not Forrest green.
Of course , from a picture, I cannot swear it is original, but I can jolly well ask for confirmation.

You had to introduce useless comments on Afrika corps,possibly to show that you can drop a few German names? How childish.
We were speaking of Mistery cans, and with american features, to boot. Or you forgot, in your haste to stir the pot?

Then, I suggested that you might ask Robin, if any of his cans has that kind of color.
No, you silly, not the exact color: just ask if it is a kind of yellowish muddy sand color, different from Forrest green.
Of course I asked Mike,about his can. He answered, and I have no reason to doubt he did it at his best.
Just as I would not have doubts on Robin's answers, should he tell me something on the paint on his cans, if he had any with remnants of yellowish tan.
Nor on Roy's answer, should I need to ask him.
I have seen enough Mistery Jerrycans with that yellowish tan color, applied on them by whoever manufactured them , to know that they existed.
And that includes mistery cans with American features.
Do I, or do the guys who reported on theirs, know the exact color,or the name we should call it? Of course not, but I am sure even you could tell apart a yellowish tan from an Army O.D. or a USMC Forrest green, or a whatever green...
More than plenty, for my purposes.

But here is your best question: Who made the cans?
If we knew who made those Mystery cans, they would not be a Mistery anymore huh?

I'm not ready to look at a picture of a jerry can that has old paint on it and stick MY neck out and say "Oh Yes! That's GERMAN Afrika Korps Yellowish/Sand paint and therefore it's not a can from an American source!" ....but you want them to do that for you????

WTF has Africa Korps to do with Mystery cans?
You can stick YOUR neck out from wherever it presently is, and say whatever you like to.
From the guys I trust, all I would ask is if the paint on any of their Mystery cans with american features has that sort of brownish, tan, yellowish muddy s#itty color, and if it appears as being the original coat.

[Chuck Lutz]

Oh...these cans?

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#1 looks to be GREEN and may be Forest Green/USMC but I would not be so bold to make that claim
#2 is rusted badly so whatever color it WAS is not known
#3 is rusted but retains some possibly GREEN paint on the side
#4 is rusted but retains some possibly RED paint on it
#5 is TAN

Is there anyway to tell when any of these cans were painted and if the paint is original and what the PRIMER (if any) color under the original paint (if any) actually was? No...but assumptions and speculation runs rampant doesn't it?

This is why PAINT is not anywhere as DEFINITIVE a tool in determining the origin of them compared to the DESIGN and CONSTRUCTION details.

[lucakiki]

Make an effort: What you see in a picture and what you can see holding a can in your hands are two different things.
So, once you exclude that the can on the left is tan, yellowish tan or whatever you want to call it,you have no need to ask the owner.
I see a possible tan color on the second on the left.
Worth asking for confirmation.
The one on the right does look perfectly in the range of colors mentioned before : all one has to do, is ask the owner if it looks as being the coat originaly applied.
If I could have it in my hands, I would not need to ask, and would check it myself.

The point? Mystery cans ,whether or not they had some or all of the american features, did come in those tan/ dirty mud/ yellowish sand color hues. That is, they were often non green, from new.

So, asking if the can in the Saipan picture might be non green, is far from peregrine.

[Chuck Lutz]

These American Prototypes are easily seen to be GREEN, RED and RED....

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[gerrykan]

Although the round vent tube is the easiest way to distinguish a real Sandrik SS can from the later reproductions, the remnants of what appear to be the base coat of primer/paint has also entered those discussions as a method of identification if the other identifiers cannot be discerned.

If the elevation of the welded seam in regards to the overall depth of the valley of the two halves of the jerrycan's body is a legitimate way to determine the can's quality level...then paint should score an equal value. This statement is made in regards to the following statement by Chuck Lutz.

I have noticed on my German can and a couple British cans that the clamshell SEAM is a little different on the British cans. On the German cans the mating surface is smaller and is down in the groove a bit deeper which does not make it easy to weld together.

From here: viewtopic.php?f=37&t=94606&start=45

Although this is the wrong topic: The German design of having a shorter elevation of the welded seam compared to the overall depth of the valley that said seam resides in would make it less likely to encounter damage, and the resulting leakage of precious gasoline, than that of the British design, which would equal NO IMPROVEMENT on the original design by those English fellows who vehemently disregarded trademark and copyright laws to produce copies of the German gasoline can.

[gerrykan]

These American Prototypes are easily seen to be GREEN, RED and RED

I think you better have your eyes checked if you think the can on the far right is RED.

[Chuck Lutz]

Roy, try READING the captions....I did not think those who would look at those three photos would be unable to read the caption on each on and arrive at the conclusion you did....surprise, surprise! Are you having trouble distinguishing the American Prototype from other cans?

Try again to look at the AMERICAN PROTOTYPE IN EACH PHOTO
1) it is the GREEN CAN on the left (the center can is, as the caption clearly states, a BRITISH can and the on on the right is GERMAN
2) it is the RED CAN on the right (the other had a round spout and is a galvanized can)
3) it is the RED CAN on the left (the other has a round spout and is a galvanized can)

Hint: so you don't continue to make this mistake Roy... here are things to look for in an American Prototype:
a) the hole in the tab is in the CENTER, not to the right as British and German cans have it.
b) the handle cutouts are SQUARE at the rear, but ROUND on the British and German cans.
c) looking at the first photo...notice the can lid is almost the SAME on the Brit/German cans and DIFFERENT on the American Prototype?

I hope that helps you to avoid the same mistake....

HTH.

[lucakiki]

Roy, I know for a fact that I have no sight problems, and I also only see one red can,and not two.

But what worries me more, is that I do not see any prototype can in the picture..
However, there is one prototype in the New Zealand picture.
So the newbies can see the difference between an american Mystery can and an American Prototype can.

Chuck Lutz wrote:
These American Prototypes are easily seen to be GREEN, RED and RED

As a side note I know for a fact how , possibly because of sight problems,or owing to lack of attention, our resident expert could not spot an obvious difference in two similar fire extinguishers, or failed to see the Irwin ink stamping in the famous tool picture ...
Unsurprisingly, he never admitted it.

[Chuck Lutz]

Are you blind? Or are you just argumentative? Or both?

The first photo caption says:
American Prototype - British - German.....and the one on the left is GREEN

The second photo caption says:
Prototypes in New Zealand....of which only ONE is of this style and it is RED

The thrid photo caption says:
Prototypes in the USA....of which only ONE is of this style and it is RED


I hope this clears up your confused mind somewhat....if that is even remotely possible?