MVCC Elections

[softskin_driver]

Dave I was told nothing by the Sec/Treas and have not received a pass down by anyone. What I have been told was only after I asked for help and then responses have taken days even weeks and have been unhelpful and indignant. I have hidden nothing and won't and I have told you all about the invoice issue that was explained to me only after I asked the Sec/Treas to send a check to OfficeMax. I responded and it took more than a week for an answer and it came in the form of an envelope full of stamps. Dave anyone at the GMM who saw the outrageous actions and physical attack on the President of our club by the Sec/Treas would understand what I am up against.
I know you know this. It is not surprising that you dance around the real subject and not answer any of my questions head on and side step them in the best manner of a true politician .
I asked you why you did not use your negotiating skills to get the Sec/Treas to free up the memberships property your answer is that you are aware of the challenges.
It’s as if you are standing with your hands in your pockets unwilling to do anything to help. You say you are an MVCC member is your inaction all part of a defense plan and why are you against the addition of a new VP. I don't see how adding a VP is an attack on anybody, what am I missing?
Now you come out and say without actually putting it in to words to explain what you are talking about that there are groups being attacked and you are defending them in some capacity maybe the NRG President but you skipped over that.
You should ask your informant to show you the email trail between them and me while I have been struggling trying to get the newsletter out. And maybe if your informant did not need to be blackmailed by one of your own to get them to even think about cooperating we would not be here discussing any of this.
Dave you’re a good speaker and nice guy but you have your priorities mixed up if you think you need to defend any group other than the MVCC.
I don't think I can accomplish anything talking to you now that you have announced there are other groups and you are their speaker and on the offensive.
I was sure there was only one club the MVCC thanks for confirming what I had only been hoping was not true.
I have absolutely no problem with there being groups of MVCC members getting together in their own backyards and doing what we all do as part of our hobby. What you are describing Dave is separate groups vying for power and raising up against the MVCC and its board to gain that power. If you were truly interested in negotiating coexistence Dave you would not have started your post off with the words attack and defensive. I felt by adding a new area VP the MVCC was giving that area a voice within the board and better support was I wrong?
I ask you who has attacked these groups and how? Has anyone asked them to disperse or to leave the MVCC? Has anyone actually done anything other than question the reason why these groups are hostile to the MVCC and who are they and what is there intent.
I don’t expect a real answer Dave but will tell you that I sent Ballots to every MVCC member on the Roster that the Sec/Treas sent me, they were in a newsletter with only one groups name and logo on it that went to every MVCC member regardless of the regional group they are invovled with. I believe the MVCC board is doing what they feel is best for our club and the membership and I am an MVCC member part of the Bay Area Region a group that has been in the MVCC since its start and we have never been more than MVCC members.
Thanks for these discussions Dave I have learned more in these two days than in the last year. Even though I am just the editor and new to the board I find all of this all very enlightening.
And upsetting.

[Chuck Lutz]

Dave Ball....I also find it interesting that the By-Laws are being shoved in your face over a balloting proceedure so completely SCREWED up by the Sec/Treas holding the mailing list and bank account hostage over a personal vendetta....to be more exact, how absolutely LUDICRIS it is to be insulted as you have been and told off about the By-laws while the very people who are doing this remain indifferent to how we GOT into this position in the first place and who exactly wrecked or sabotaged the effective and correct proceedures to hold an election. Does ANYONE not underestand this was brought about by a MUTINY on the Board by the Sec/Treas? I thought not....

A motion was called for by a member at the GMM to FIRE the Sec/ Treas at TP if she did not hand over the mailing list and bank account IMMEDIATELY and the immediate response was another motion/manouever/Parlimentary Proceedure/Robert's Rules load of horsemanure offered to head off that from happening, so I have SEEN how the jailhouse lawyer tactics have yet further stymied the Board and the Membership from regaining control of the list and the funds in person....to have the GALL to complain about the short return time on the ballots when this very person was a part of the effort to keep the Sec/Treas from giving up the list/$$$ in APRIL for God's sake...and who now offers only "I am aware of the challenges" as a response is...shameful.

I felt the offer by the President and the Board to extend an "investigation" by a "committe" was a very magnanimous one that was instantly commandeered and the 'recomendaitions to the Board' were massaged into yet ANOTHER public harangue on how horrible it was for a non-elected/volunteer/temporary Editor who went rogue got canned.....investigating the FACTS was what it was supposed to do and instead it became yet ANOTHER vehicle for personal agendas.

To say I am disappointed that those within our ranks who live and breathe Parlimentary Proceedures, Robert's Rules and negotiations on a daily basis can completlely gloss over the trainwreck the Sec/Tres has deliberately created and then ignore that in order to point out that the 30 days called for in the By-Laws is down to a couple weeks?

As far as the numbering of ballots to prevent duplication, I give a hearty "ATTA BOY!" to whomever thought that up as I imagine there has never been a more inportant election in the MVCC to avoid that. I am more than satisfied with the proceedure, and if those who are distressed over it had come forward to be a part of the process, they would have understood that and probably been satisfied that those who stuffed the envelopes with numbered ballots did not keep track of who got them and perhaps if they had VOLUNTEERED to assist, then there would have been no problem with the counting as a 100% separate committee for counting from that which did the stuffing/mailing could have been arranged.

In my mind, there is only one chapter of the MVPA in these parts and that is the MVCC...there are 'Social Groups" within the club as all organiszations have but to give a VOICE to them as if they had a SAY in the operations of the MVCC is the way to divide this club into the Sauth Bay Group, the NRG, the North Bay Group and then the rest have to chose who to hang out with. When we camp at TP our 'GROUP' represents about 12-15 guys from Kansas, Oregon, Arizona, the NRG, the North Bay and a bunch of others...we don't HAVE an "agenda" nor do we have a "VOICE" in the MVCC and that's just how it should be....a "social group" and noting more. As far as I know, the South Bay guys have some get-togethers and were part of the Camp Parks event planning to which we were all invited. A few years ago the Gridley event was put together and we were all invited...as are many parades and events through the year....all well and good, but when any of these area/groups begins to think they have a VOICE and that they MUST band together/vote/hang out as a separate entity within the MVCC then we are headed for disaster my friends....the sooner those who intend on going AWOL do just that, the rest of us can get back to the MVCC and leave those divisions behind. heck, we have VPs in each area that organize and represent the locals....now if we give the individual groups a VOICE at the table beyond the general membership we are doomed.

In the end, those who have different ideas need to run for office and stop throwing rocks at the efforts of those who are trying to fix this mess!

[softskin_driver]

Well said Chuck.

[199th MP]

chuck, i wish i could have said it as well, but i have never been accused of being articulate. dave ball, a big thanks from me for your newsletter efforts, and i hope this can be ironed out among people of like interests, with no more drama.