North Bay V.P.

[willy]

Now we are talking about the money or leg off it
How many T-shirts need one to sell for buying dinner at the restaurant and 15% tip for 20 to 25 people
And have a Cristmas party as well.??? And money to buy a new lot off T-shirts.????
Or did the treasurer dipt into our fund to make it up thinking may be she can later set the record strait.???
I know at Big Bear they all went to that Mexican restautant on road back to Modesto i know because I was there.
I spend one day 4 hours behind this MVCC table and there where 7 envelopes where we had to put the money in from the sale none off them marked MVCC and when I asked Pat she told me the money collected is ours (NRG)
willy

[Kurt Lesser]

Yes Willy maybe this did happen 20+ years ago. What would you like to be done about it now? You had the chance to do something about it 20 years ago and didn't do anything. We went through all of this 2 years ago, why do you keep bringing it up? What purpose does it serve now? You just can't take he said, she said into court and that's still all we have. After the elections next month we will have a new treasurer, then what? Just let it go and move on with your life.

[Kim Sievert]

I believe a benefactor, (whom drove to California, just to make a point), could / should make things right, before the transition to a new board member handling the task. I would be satisfied and not vote to pursue anything, if the balances, balance out to a known milestone.

HINT HINT HINT

Kim
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[softskin_driver]

We are one club the MVCC with one membership and we are all MVCC members and if you volunteer to man an MVCC table the rewards should be for all MVCC members.
If the rewards are used to build the treasury of another organization and used for those members benefits there is something wrong about using the word volunteer. RSVP or not the money does not show in the MVCC treasury reports and those reaping the benefits advertise the events in the MVCC newsletter and on our MVCC website.
Those rewards are made possible with money made from MVCC members at MVCC events. A true volunteer works without being paid.
I think the MVCC needs a policy to cover outside organizations from fund raising at MVCC events unless the MVCC benefits directly or there is benefit to an organization the majority of MVCC members support such as the troops.
I think the membership should have the choice in the organizations they support. And if they vote to give the NRG members free Christmas dinner I guess I would be fine with that.
I am guessing they would vote to use any excess funds for an MVCC BBQ at Tower Park where it would benefit the largest group of MVCC members gathered at any one time.

My two cents

[The Fireman]

To all,

I feel you guys need to take a "time out" on this subject/thread.

"I think the MVCC needs a policy to cover outside organizations from fund raising at MVCC events unless the MVCC benefits directly or there is benefit to an organization the majority of MVCC members support such as the troops."

So, if the SOMVCC wanted to sell T shirts to raise money for their club, and it would not benefit the MVCC, that would not be allowed. What about vendors that sell products to anybody, regardless of MVCC affiliation.

"Time Out"

Frank

[John Neuenburg]

I agree with Frank.

And keep in mind those folks were providing a service to the MVCC manning that table. Club business went on there, Secretary on station, club merchandise was sold. One less important thing the rest of the Board had to organize. This is a distraction we don't need right now, in my opinion.

[softskin_driver]

Sorry Frank that did not come out the way I meant it to. If the SOMVCC has a table with t-shirts and whatever else and is selling it under that banner SOMVCC it is obvious. And when I buy a shirt I know who I bought it from and who it benefits. I would buy a SOMVCC shirt and donate to that club I don’t have a problem with that at all. Like I said before the shirts the NRG had on the MVCC tables were the best thing on that table that’s why we all bought many of them for years. Other clubs and MVPA chapters visiting MVCC Swapmeet have always been welcome guests and always should be. I have stuff from many MVPA chapters and the MVPA I have bought at conventions and swapmeets. I am sure we all do.
The smoke and mirrors stuff where who knows who is pocketing the money and who it benefits even though MVCC members are present at the point of sale or handling the money is where the policy should come into effect.
Let’s say just as an hypothetical example you go to a MVCC newsletter advertised event and pay a camping fee it is collected by MVCC members you know and a cut of the money collected goes into some other organizations treasury not the MVCC treasury which you are a member in good standing of and that’s why you volunteered to man the booth. It looks like an MVCC event no one said otherwise you volunteered or purchased the services or products in good faith that they were to benefit the MVCC membership. Is that right.
John you need to keep in mind the folks manning the tables were being paid. That’s an established fact. The incentives were not a well-known advertised fact.
Did you ever see a sign, Volunteers wanted free lunch and Christmas dinner. Me either. The fact that the MVCC secretary was sitting there bugs me more not less.
I am timed out.

[John Neuenburg]

I am throwing my hat into the ring for the new North Bay West VP position. Ballots should be out soon. Anyone who cares can see my platform statement and a few opinions on a new post here:
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[mfrance]

When & Why the sudden change in splitting the 707-415 area code to East and West? what is the benifit. One V.P. should be able to handle it. Are other areas being split?

Also who is counting the ballots, a contested officer, should not be involved in counting ballots, more up to the members.

[John Neuenburg]

When & Why the sudden change in splitting the 707-415 area code to East and West? what is the benifit. One V.P. should be able to handle it. Are other areas being split?

Also who is counting the ballots, a contested officer, should not be involved in counting ballots, more up to the members.

I don't know the answer to the first question but I heard the idea talked about a while back. Could be other areas might be split in the future. Don't know.

As for ballots, Sonny has nothing to do with counting ballots. Other committee members do that. He as you say is on the ballot.

[Kurt Lesser]

Mike,

Section 6.6 of the MVCC Bylaws define the parameters of the election committee as one appointed board officer and 2 members at large. The chairperson will receive the ballots and they will be counted by all three people after the deadline for returning them of June 18th. No ballots will be opened or counted before all three members of the committee are present together. The members will do the counting and the chairperson will report the results back to the board and the newsletter editor.

There has been some discussion about expanding the board to better cover areas where we felt we were weak in representation with good membership counts. There hasn't been anyone active in the NW region since Nancy Hoskins was on the board and we felt it would be a logical area for expansion. After the regional meets at Point Reyes and Olima stopped we haven't done anything in an area that's a shame because there are so many beautiful areas to have activities. We're hoping to pick up another smaller local meet like those mentioned somewhere. The northern region will again have a VP and the southern areas are already well covered with the South Bay, South Coast, and Southern area VPs. Another consideration would be a Sierra foothills VP to cover the area up to the Nevada line that's now covered by the Northern region VP. Lots of great activity areas in that region also although not that many members.

Kurt

[softskin_driver]

Splitting of the east west region of the North Bay has been considered before by the board and if you look at the NBMVC forum you will see questions were asked about why there was the need for another non MVCC group in that area and this was discussed by several members. You yourself said and I quote "this group is not directly attached with mvcc".
The MVCC members on the coast side of the North Bay need local representation. I see this as progress for the MVCC and the MBMVC who will need to continue to work together in that region to promote our hobby and educate the public.
I voted to split the North Bay, east and west and add a VP to represent the MVCC members in that area after reading the NBMVC forum. I believe the MVCC can do a much better job in reaching out to the Military Vehicle collectors on the west side of the North Bay if there is a VP supporting that goal who lives closer and attends those events. One of the many things all of us as MVCC members and MV collectors do is educate others in what our hobby is all about. Board members often are the front line in new member recruitment. An MVCC VP directly supporting the Western North Bay area will further those goals and keep MVCC members as well as potential members informed about both the MVCC and the MVPA and their events.
Adding area VP's to represent members of a large club is part of evolution and growth and is needed to get the word out about events and swapmeets and the hobby. This is not a bad thing and gives the area's MV collectors more support in the pursuit of their hobby. As far as creating other area VP's I think (my opinion) there is room for another in the Central Valley north region supporting the Dos Palos north to Sacramento area. We all collect Military Vehicles I am not sure why there is a disconnect on that very simple fact.
I find it troubling a club such as the MVCC, respected world wide , for many many years as a leader in the MV hobby, with so many successful accomplishments as a club as well as individually, with so many members both past and present who have worked so hard to further our hobbies growth and public awareness with their enthusiasm and their outstanding Military Vehicle restorations, many that are national and local award winners, that their are those that instead of being as proud as I am of being a long time MVCC member they do not support and further the MVCC's growth and volunteer and give back to the club to help improve our club and would rather take from it and try to unravel that which took so many so long to build.
This is your club why ask why? Instead volunteer to make it better for everyone including you and yours and those yet to come.



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[mfrance]

Kurt, Thank you for clearing up voting ballots question...

[13th Armored]

I have a simple question:
What would be the proper way to make sure that you manage to hold on to the majority of the Officers in an election?

Maybe you add a new region, so your guy or gal could run unopposed in one of the new regions and you could put another person against the opposition. Do this under the cover of an “Officers” (Board) meeting and not invite all the officers or at least don’t invite the ones that don’t agree with you. Making sure that the MEMBERS would not know or have a chance to be nominated for office in these new regions until after the ballots were printed, was this what you intended?

[13th Armored]

Did I hear this correctly Softskin_Driver? You posted: "This is your club why ask why? Instead volunteer to make it better for everyone including you and yours and those yet to come."

Are you saying that we do not have a right, in this country, to question our leaders and/or leadership?
Are you also saying that people are not volunteering?