softskin_driver wrote:John are you saying that you feel groups with organized boards and there own treasuries should be allowed to form under the MVCC umbrella and recruit from within the MVCC ranks and boundaries?
Absolutely not under the "MVCC umbrella." That would be starting a new club and could be considered competitive to the MVCC. This opinion should be explained: If a group of MVers in MVCC territory have "members" and officers then they are a different club than the MVCC. If they have a treasury, then it's for sure and possibly some combination of these features puts them on the State of CA radar screen and so they need to be "official." That part of it is between the officers and the State and I don't know about that subject.
So in any case let's say a new club exists. People could join one or the other or both. That club would be competitive to the MVCC if people joined it and not the MVCC. It works the other way too. Competition is not foreign to Americans. If they are active at attracting and recruiting members from the MVCC, meaning MVCC loses a member, then they are very competitive. Same if they have events where MVCCers are not welcome. This would be be bad for the MVCC. If a MVCC officer is involved in activities competitive to the MVCC it is a serious ethical problem and should be grounds for removal from at least the Board. But an MVCC member or officer could be a member of another club, such as the Southern Cal or Southern Oregon clubs, or the NBMVC, which like I say is not a sub-group of MVCC in my opinion. Does that make sense?
I want to make it clear I have no problem with informal groups in geographical areas getting together as MVCC members. The SBG has never had officers or raised funds and all MVCC members were always welcome because we gathered as MVCC members with the distiction we did it in the South Bay Area. A group of MVCC members gathering in the area we live in.
While I was the MVCC VP for the south bay we met for a BBQ and vehicle show in Campbell at the VFW hall. We also had a
Christmas party. We did this as MVCC Members twice a year. All MVCC members were invited and welcome and many came. The SBG will always be MVCC members who meet in the local area of our MVCC VP and I am sure any of the others who live in that area will tell you no one organized or spoke out against our club the MVCC. Just so you Know the SBG when I joined the club was started by several later to become NRG members. Some members moved from san Jose to northern California. We were the NMVCC then.
Yes - used to be called the South Bay Bunch, and there was an East Bay Group for a while. Met at the Western Aerospace Museum. There was a group in Georgetown in the '80s, and of course the Northern Recon Group centered in Oroville. Two even had logos. All MVCC regional social groups, with the difference being NRG has a treasury. If it's true that the NRG now has an officer structure then they are starting to look like bona fide club. Maybe someone can tell us here.
NMVCC? From the late '70s to '91we were the California Chapter of the Military Vehicle Collectors Club, which was what the MVPA was called then, then when they got their tax exempt 501c3 association status with the Feds and renamed to MVPA we changed our name to what it is now to keep the acronym and shoulder patch, and we incorporated in the State of CA. The first Bylaws draft was drawn up by the Board at the Woodson Bridge meet October 1990. Jeez - trivia - sorry!
I too am against the MVCC breaking into new clubs and frankly don't understand what the advantage would be if it's even being considered now - don't know - but if people have different interests that are not satisfied by the club then so be it.
The MVCC is the largest and longest-lived MV club in the nation, and largest MVPA affiliate worldwide except for MVCC-Italia. We have hosted two very successful National Conventions and the MVPA has asked us to do another one, so they must like the team under Kurt's leadership that pulled them them off. We've hosted the largest annual MV meet in the West for 30 years straight plus the second largest for almost that long. Folks want to be a part of this legacy. They also join and renew to get the great newsletter. If we create future incentives to be members, like a camping discount at Tower Park, that will be yet another reason to be a MVCCer.
This succesful track record is a result of MVCC officers over the decades doing a good job for the majority of MVers in the North/Central state. We all vote for officers who will represent us. Regional VPs in particular look out for issues related to their areas BUT are elected by ALL members and they must keep in mind the interests of all members. It would be wrong, for example, for three of eight officers to make a decision that works against the majority of members. Do you all realize that this could occur the way our Bylaws are currently written? An officer meeting may be called by any three officers or the president. But our quorum-of-four rule is too small for our size of Board. The quorum number will probably be changed in the next Bylaws however this makes it very important for us to elect officers who are reasonable, open-minded team players and definately not anyone with an agenda that works against the overall membership. This advice should be obvious. Please plan to vote and if if you want to know what someone's platform is first, just ask them.
Hope this helps.