Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:52 am

macaddict23 wrote:Nice Jeep. It's only 1594 units from my MB215454!

http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=191385


Wow! They were probably rolled off within a few days of each other then! Which brings to mind other questions I had not thought of. How many different factories made these jeeps? And how did they keep the serial numbers in sequence? Or did they? Reckon our two jeeps were made at the same plant? I need to dig deeper in the numbers and find out where mine was manufactured. All I know is the DoD so far.
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Jim Kilbourne » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:31 am

The Willys MBs were made in Toledo, Ohio.
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby jeepfinger » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:40 am

HI Albert,

Fat Albert wrote:How many different factories made these jeeps?


Willys Jeeps where only made at the one plant in Toledo, Ohio. It was the Ford GPW that was made in five plants around the USA. So the answer is yes your Jeep and Dexters Jeep where made at the same factory. Them things on the side are called footman loops and should not be where they are mounted at the moment.
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:20 pm

Thank you Mr. Kilbourne and Dave... I didn't know that the Willys were all made in the same location. I think I remember reading that they couldn't keep up with demand and that was how the Ford GPW came about. I've got to go back and do a lot of reading on my histories!

And Dave, I'd heard you guys talking about the footman loops but I hadn't figured out if it were the little ones on the sides or the bar that wraps around the back corners. Now I know! I'll go look up the proper locations and rectify the misplacment on my jeep. I have a lot of things to rectify!
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:17 pm

I just found an article saying Willys-Overland built 363000 MBs from 1941 to 1945. If that is true then that means they built 90,750 a year over a 4 year span... which would average out to roughly 249 a day rolling off the assembly line. WOW! That's a lot of jeeps. I'm impressed to say the least.

Then that would mean my MB217048 rolled off the line about a week n half after macaddict's MB215454! Pretty amazing.
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby philbrinson » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:28 am

Earlier you mentioned your transmission. The bad news is that it was stuck, the good news is that it is a T90 so not original to an MB; you should have a T84. T84's are out there, but can be relatively expensive. The good news again is that T90's are plentiful and since the changes are already made for a T90, you could swap it pretty easy if thats what you want while you search for a correct T84.

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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:32 pm

philbrinson wrote:Earlier you mentioned your transmission. The bad news is that it was stuck, the good news is that it is a T90 so not original to an MB; you should have a T84. T84's are out there, but can be relatively expensive. The good news again is that T90's are plentiful and since the changes are already made for a T90, you could swap it pretty easy if thats what you want while you search for a correct T84.

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Thanks Phil. I'll be looking for the T84. I have a couple of questions... How do you determine it's a T90 from the pics I posted? Is it the tranny hump? Also I'm wondering if it would've more economical to try and rebuild this one for now and buy the T84 later when I can. Any ideas?
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby huskerjeep » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:39 pm

Yes the "humped" piece that the main gear shifter comes out of would be be flat if it was a T-84 tranny.
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:20 pm

Alright! I was finally able to steal away for an hour this evening and spend some time with the mistress MB. :lol:
Finally able to get rid of the Bubba Bar and Bubba Seat. Almost all the bolts had to be cut off with a grinder. Only 2 nuts came off with the wrenches... 1 snapped in surrender before I had to take the grinder to it. It is amazing what taking these 2 items off will do! My little MB is starting to look more like her true self!
I sanpped a few pictures although it was getting dark and they are not the best. I'll roll her out tomorrow if I get a chance and get some better shots. I want to get all those snaps off the sides next. I also HAVE to tackle cleaning out the barn... build some shelves... throw a bunch of junk away! It's kind of embarassing when looking at it here! :oops:
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Anybody know of a Bubba that might be interested in the roll bars? They are solid and heavy.
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Seat is not much good for anything...
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While taking the seat off I found these 2 footman loops underneath the seat frame. Why would they be here?
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The original seat frame is about rusted away. :cry:

I worked a little on the knobs on the dash... scraping paint off. I found writing under it! I guess this is nothing new for most of you guys but for me it was like finding buried treasure! It was hard to see with the lighting conditions but I think it says "PANEL LIGHTS"
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This one says simply "LIGHTS"
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Also... I was wondering about the ignition switch, (for some reason it's not showing up in thie picture with the LIGHT knob after I uploaded it). I thought I read last night where they started out with a toggle switch and swapped over to the keyed switch after... oh I can't remember the dates now. But I thought it was after my MB217048 rolled off the factory line.
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby macaddict23 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:47 pm

Fat Albert wrote:While taking the seat off I found these 2 footman loops underneath the seat frame. Why would they be here?


FB,

There should be four footman loops under the passenger seat. They are used for storing the canvas top.

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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:25 pm

Thanks for posting the pics of your seats Dexter... I couldn't see so well up front. I'll have to check tomorrow and see if there are any loops under the front of the seat frame. But I guess it really doesn't matter with the condition my seats are in. When I look at your pics then back at what's left of my seats, I honestly wonder what I've got myself into!
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby macaddict23 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:11 pm

Fat Albert wrote:Thanks for posting the pics of your seats Dexter... I couldn't see so well up front. I'll have to check tomorrow and see if there are any loops under the front of the seat frame. But I guess it really doesn't matter with the condition my seats are in. When I look at your pics then back at what's left of my seats, I honestly wonder what I've got myself into!


You're welcome. But those pics I grabbed via a google search. So credit goes to the photographer(s).

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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby nick peters » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:48 am

Hey Albert
just wanted to say that im enjoying reading about your project. Good luck with it,and remember that some guys have started out with vehicles in a far worse condition than your appears to be in. And have managed to bring them back to life!! Dont be afraid to ask questions,people on here are allways ready to offer advice.good luck again :)
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ps your dad sounds to have been quite a guy. But im sure he,d have a wide grin when you get your project up n running again :wink:
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:06 am

Thanks Mr. Peters... I appreciate the encouragement. You can be sure I'll be asking more questions... There is so much I don't know. And thanks for the kind words about dad. Yes, he was quite the guy. He would be grumbling and shaking his head the whole time I was working on something but when I finished he would give a begrudging "That's alright... Never woulda thought it..." Course if I failed I'd never hear the end of the "I told you so!" I've been trying to find his old Navy photos but so far I haven't been able to put my hands on them. I'll keep looking.
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Re: Fat Albert's '43 MB 217048 Project Thread

Postby Fat Albert » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:31 pm

Wow... two days in a row I've been able to slip a little Jeep work in. I'm on a roll! Anyways... here is what I piddled with today.

Removed Bubba tire rack... had to grind off the bolt heads.
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Also while I was working on the back I removed some bondo. Scary stuff. Back right corner looks like somebody took a ball ping hammer to it!
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I thought I had found a bondo'd over hole on the back left corner... but I think it is just a rusted hole letting loose under the bondo.

Got a close up shot of the tail lights. Original?
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Also removed all the Bubba snaps. Most of them I simply hammered out from inside the tub where the screws were protruding. Several were screwed into areas I could not reach inside so I used my trusty grinder to cut them off until I found it was WAYeasier using a small chisel and claw hammer. Good stress relief! Don't worry... I didn't bang up the Mitsress MB. Sorry no close up pics.

What I did find while working to remove the snaps is that my jeep is covered completely from the seats all the way back with a solid layer of bondo. Geez Bubba must have spent a fortune on bondo! It ranges is thickness from a 1/16th to 1/2" at least. When I started knocking/grinding some of it out I started feeling very apprehensive and sheepish again. Mr. Peters was so very good at encouraging me this morning... oh my, I certainly need all I can get about right now!
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As you can see the bottom tool indent no longer exists. It must have rusted away and Bubba did some "Enjineering" again. A sheet of metal was added and attached with ROUND HEADED SCREWS and rolled under... then the whole thing covered with about 1/2" of bondo to smooth out the screw heads. Also Bubba didn't cut any of the rust away... he just bondo'd over it all. Remove the bondo and there is the disease still growing and eating away at all that precious metal. I'm going to need to pull something off like the gentleman from overseas... I wish I could remember his thread. He made his own tools and pressed and bent and cut his own tub right in his yard! I was very impressed! I'll add a link back to his thread as soon as I can find it.

I also removed the aftermarket tank. Once I had it out I realized why they put such a small tank in. The fuel sump area is completely gone. Bubba just added a piece of metal over the hole and slapped the tank in. Now even the Bubba metal is rusted out.
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Here is another shot with what's left of the drivers seat frame
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Again Bubba had hiw way with my poor Mistress MB and cut the backs of the seat frames off to make room for his Bubba seats.
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