VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by m3bobby » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:13 am

Here are some F marked bolts found on 6008.

Foot rest bolts
Wind shield bolts
Fender to frame bolts
Some F bolts on rear panel for spare wheel bracket but this had been moved so may not be original

The bolts for the axle bump stops (f script firestone marked with GPW Pt no.) were plain head as were the body hold down bolts (with springs). The master cylinder bolts and other bracket bolts were also plain but the battery splash shield bolts were TR20 marked and as the shield had no F script, I suspect it to be Willys and assume fitted at Midland (also OD paint applied with shield already in place as yellow phos primer underneath mounting). Steering box was M38 but heat shield was original GPW, all bolts were plain head. As far as I recall, the other bolts were a random mix of Willys type bolts and post war.

I did find some other script bolts which had obviously been removed from other parts of the jeep or other GPWs and used else where. For example 2 F script bolts were used to instal a door hinge on the rear floor where the pedestal would fit. I have no idea why. Oh and I found one jammed into the glove box.
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by 17thAirborne » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:41 am

Now that is an informative post. THANKS
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by 17thAirborne » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:50 am

m3bobby wrote:... The master cylinder bolts and other bracket bolts were also plain but the battery splash shield bolts were TR20 marked and as the shield had no F script, I suspect it to be Willys and assume fitted at Midland (also OD paint applied with shield already in place as yellow phos primer underneath mounting)...
This seems to be a piece of the mystery, and as I am not as well GPW-read as others I have a few questions: Who primed the frame? Was it Midland,and if so were they known to use YO primer? Or did Ford prime it after receiving from Midland? This seems to be a telling point.
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by Mike Wright » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:27 am

lt.luke wrote:Your black rubber hood blocks are not original.
Ummm... Not quite sure. I've been doing LOTS of research on this and found a few pics that may repudiate this.
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by Mike Wright » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:28 am

lt.luke wrote:
17thAirborne wrote:Has anyone verified or refuted the notion that the VEP mirror arm is longer?
Ask Mike Wright.
Short. Early ones had no drain hole. Later ones did.
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SEEKING MOTOR # GPW 2636
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GPW 2636, DOD 28 FEB 42, Reg# 2055811 (est)
GPW 104331 DOD 31 MAR 43, Reg# 20369321 (est)
MB-101008 DOD 27 NOV 41, Reg# W-2032462 (Original)
MB 438075, DOD 1 MAY 45, Reg# 20704591 (Original)
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by Mike Wright » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:33 am

OUTSTANDING thread! Thanks for starting it!

The Restoration Guide is coming along very well! In @ 1 month it will be going out for vetting then to the MVPA for final and publication. AS a side bar, The MVPA has stopped selling the old guide as so much new information has come to light in recent years.
Keep up this thread! I'm finding useful intel here!
Thanks
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GPW 2636, DOD 28 FEB 42, Reg# 2055811 (est)
GPW 104331 DOD 31 MAR 43, Reg# 20369321 (est)
MB-101008 DOD 27 NOV 41, Reg# W-2032462 (Original)
MB 438075, DOD 1 MAY 45, Reg# 20704591 (Original)
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by Mike Wright » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:35 am

m3bobby wrote:Here are some F marked bolts found on 6008.



The bolts for the axle bump stops (f script firestone marked with GPW Pt no.) were plain head as were the body hold down bolts (with springs).
Can you confirm the rear axle bumpers had the bolts going in from the bottom and the nuts on top?
thanks
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MVPA# 4341
GPW 2636, DOD 28 FEB 42, Reg# 2055811 (est)
GPW 104331 DOD 31 MAR 43, Reg# 20369321 (est)
MB-101008 DOD 27 NOV 41, Reg# W-2032462 (Original)
MB 438075, DOD 1 MAY 45, Reg# 20704591 (Original)
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:59 am

Mike:

GPW-17963
4/24/42
Chester, PA

Rear axel bumpers have NUTS on the bottom, BOLTS on top.
Ford frame & script tub of course!
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by JD136 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:05 am

GPW 6834 3-20-42DOD
Rear axle bumper. "F" script bolt. BOLT head on bottom, NUT on top.
Front axle bumpers were missing.
Willys frame

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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by m3bobby » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:42 am

6008 axle bump stop had heads on bottom, nuts on top, plain bolts, Willys frame. Fronts bolt into captive nuts on frame so perhaps that is why the rears are orientated the same way. Does the Ford frame have the same captive nuts for the front bump stop?
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by tractor12 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:46 am

Looked at 5235 and it also had captive nuts on the front. The rear are missing
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:48 pm

Mike Wright wrote:
lt.luke wrote:Your black rubber hood blocks are not original.
Ummm... Not quite sure. I've been doing LOTS of research on this and found a few pics that may repudiate this.
Mike,
If you get a chance can you provide some more insight?
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by 17thAirborne » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:04 am

Regarding the discussion of Green vs Black Sheller steering wheels, the following list from the G indicates that both colors were used throughout the production of the VEP.

viewtopic.php?f=95&t=89623

GPW 166, Black ,
GPW 1098, Black, 19 Feb 42, Ruddy
GPW 1255, Black , FEB 42, Dave V.
GPW 1316, Black , 21 Feb 42, Mike Wright
GPW 1991, Green, 2 Mar 42, Jamie Neal
GPW 2031, Black, 7 Mar 42, Rick Nutter
GPW 2135, Black, MAR 42 Tim Wheeler : Willy's frame
GPW 2636, Green, 28 Feb 42, Mike Wright
GPW 2956, Green, 10 Mar 42, Ronnie Guin
GPW 5843, Black, Les Mallory
GPW 7718, Green , Ashley H.
GPW 7872, Black, Mar 42, Rod Boles
GPW 7941, metal, Mar 42, Rick Nut
GPW 8464, Black, Mar 42 Chris
GPW 9552, Black, April 1942, Phil Pizzi
GPW 9831, Black, 27 Mar 42, Chaznlis
GPW 10405 Green, 30 Mar 42 West-Front
GPW 10809, Black, 31 Mar 42, Dallas, Paul Fitzgerald
GPW 10949, Green, 30 Mar 42, Jon S
GPW 12078, Black, 2 April 42, Bob at Warsaw
GPW 14914, Black, 10 April 42, Tom Campbell
GPW 16904 Green 13 April 42, Rune P
GPW 19671 Black 30 Mar 42, mmamajor
GPW 20636, Black, 30 Apr 42, rcskier12
GPW 21284, Black 24 April 42, Alvin
GPW 38679, metal, 9 June 42, David H. Morganthall
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by 17thAirborne » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:25 am

Early dipstick. Arrived yesterday. The tube is OEM and the dipstick/cap is NOS. I need to clean them both up and will psot some images. I believe the tube is unmarked, but I should find some marks on the tube including an F. I believe the clamp is not original at it appears to be thin sheet metal, but I am unsure.
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Re: VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

Post by Mike Wright » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:40 am

The clamp looks original to me. Clean it and let us know. compare it to others, I don't believe the clamp changed.
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SEEKING MOTOR # GPW 2636
MVPA# 4341
GPW 2636, DOD 28 FEB 42, Reg# 2055811 (est)
GPW 104331 DOD 31 MAR 43, Reg# 20369321 (est)
MB-101008 DOD 27 NOV 41, Reg# W-2032462 (Original)
MB 438075, DOD 1 MAY 45, Reg# 20704591 (Original)
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