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Postby Tom Wolboldt » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:00 am

Hi Group,

Here is a G503 Database of Bantam serial numbers and other data for all to see and use.
Please post ( or email to me ) any numbers/data you have and I will add them to the list as I have time. Due to limited space I will not be able to acknowledge where the data comes from.


---Started 10/25/2006----Revised 07/13/2011

Serial------Date of----Registration---Motor-----Location--------Notes
Number---Delivery-----Number------Number

BRC 60s
1007-----11/29/40----2015330------139----Washington DC--Was tested at Ft. Knox
1065-----12/12/40----2015388------152------------------------4WS
1066-----12/16/40----2015389------167------------------------4WS
1067-----12/16/40----2015390------166------------------------4WS
1068-----12/17/40----2015391------362------------------------4WS
1069-----12/17/40----2015392------169------------------------4WS
1070-----12/17/40----2015393------168------------------------4WS & Last BRC 60

1071?----------/41-------------------------------Pennsylvania---Factory vehicle

BRC40s
1072------------/41-------------------------------------------------First BRC 40
--?---------------/41----2015919-----------------------------------1st hood # of Contract 8886 for 1350 vehicles.
1113---------03/41----2015960-----------------California
1208---------04/41----2016055-----------------Alabama
1234------------/41-------------------------------New Jersey
1237-----04/07/41-------------------------------Tennessee
1242------------/41-------------------------------Luxembourg
1252---------04/41-------------------------------Wisconsin------Data plate & motor only.
1298-----------------------------------------------Australia--------Saved - Using different Frame & Body.
1306------------/41-------------------------------West Virginia
1327---------04/41-------------------------------N. Dakota
1334------------/41-------------------------------Switzerland
--?---------------/41-------------------347-------California-------Sold in 1989 w/ no data plates
1390---------03/41----2016232------551-------Canada---------Restored w/Smooth floor.
1398---------04/41----2016239-----------------Minnesota
--?---------------/41----2016300----------------Oregon---------No data plates - Corrugated floor.
1456---------04/41-------------------------------Ohio-------------Corrugated floor.
1498---------04/41-----------------------?-------Arizona---------Smooth floor
1576------------/41-------------------------------Switzerland
1589------------/41-------------------------------Pennsylvania---Smooth floor.
1626---------04/41-------------------------------California-------Sold in 1989
1808------------/41-------------------------------Pennsylania
1838------------/41-------------------------------N. Carolina
--?---------------/41----2016683-----1928------Indiana---------Motor was in BRC w/this hood #
1911---------04/41-------------------------------Pennsylvania
1947------------/41---M46117xx----1095------UK
1961---------04/41-------------------------------UK
1982---------04/41-------------------2132------Texas?
--?---------------/41----2016884-----1081-----Oregon----------No data plate-smooth floor
2124---------05/41-------------------------------Louisiana
2271---------05/41-------------------------------Illinois----------British Contract
2278 ?----------/41-------------------------------N. Dakota
2298---------05/41----2016976-----------------Germany
--?---------------/41----2017029------------------------------------Modified for 37 mm gun
--?---------------/41----2017155------------------------------------Modified for 37 mm gun
--?---------------/41----2017172
--?---------------/41----2017268------------------------------------Last hood number of Contract 8886 for 1350 vehicles
2382---------06/41-------------------------------Switzerland
2492---------06/41-------------------------------Europe ?
2545---------11/41-------------------------------Tennessee
2561---------06/41--------------------------------UK
2597------------/41--------------------------------New Jersey
2601---------11/41----2029179------------------Florida---------1st hood # of Contract 10395 for 50 vehicles-4WS
2621---------10/41--------------------------------New Zealand
2622------------/41--------------------------------Idaho
2647---------09/41----2030530------------------Netherlands-------Not a Bantam hood #
2649------------/41--------------------------------California
2651------------/41----2017492------------------Wisconsin------Not a Bantam hood #
--?---------------/41----2029228------------------------------------Last hood # of Contract 10395 for 50 vehicles-4WS
--?---------------/41----2030494------------------------------------1st hood # of Contract 10263 for 22 vehicles
--?---------------/41----2030515------------------------------------Last hood # of Contract 10263 for 22 vehicles
--?---------------/41----No Numbers--------------------------------1st of no Hood # of Contract 10263 for 1000 vehicles
--?---------------/ ?-----No Numbers--------------------------------Last of no Hood # of Contract 10263 for 1000 vehicles
--?---------------/41--------------------------------New Jersey
--?---------------/41--------------------------------New Jersey
--?---------------/41--------------------------------Colorado
--?---------------/41--------------------------------Idaho
--?---------------/41--------------------------------Kansas----------No Motor or transmission
--?---------------/41--------------------------------California
--?---------------/41--------------------------------Belgium
--?---------------/41--------------------------------Washington

I will add in the other BRC 60s in the near future.
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Postby ordnance » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:41 pm

Tom,

Thanks for posting this. Here are a few small additions and corrections.

My BRC should show USA number 2016300, not 2016330.

Steve Greenberg's BRC, listed as SN 1081, is an incorrect serial number. The data plate was missing on his BRC and the body is an original hat channel floor, so the number is certainly 1500 or higher.

There seems to be some question about the BRC in Canada, SN 1389 or 1390. That vehicle was restored by Bob Harris in Reno, NV in the 1970s. When I photographed it then, it displayed USA number 2016232, SN 1390, and DOD 3-41. Bob told me the hood number and SN were correct to the vehicle. They run 5 digits off the regular progression from the contract's first USA number and first serial number. Using his numbers (USA reg. only 68 numbers lower than mine), my serial number should be 1458, two vehicles later than the one in Ohio. While number 1390 should be in the range for a corrugated floor, it was restored with a hat channel floor. When I first saw the restored jeep, Bob had at least two other unrestored BRCs in the back yard, so either a better body was swapped for the original or the floor was replaced with the later version during the restoration. I'm sure he told me but can't remember anymore.

I also found a photo of the BRC-40 in the Harrah's Auto Collection, now owned by Bob B. in PA. It has SN 1911, DOD 4-41, with no visible USA number.
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Postby cblynch » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:52 pm

"Bob B" in "Pennsylvania" is one heck of a guy, it is our loss he does not subscribe to G503...... he is well known and respected in Bantam civilian circles......might be worth looking through the Bill Spear list to add postings by serial number, but I do not see a lot of additions to be made with a quick glance through his list......THIS BANTAM LIST BY TOM IS A REAL SERVICE THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED ON 503 BEFORE............thanks Tom.......we have come a long way since the early 80s when it was reported only "ten or twelve" BRCs exist today........
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Postby Todd Paisley » Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:19 pm

Here is an old list of BRCs I had made in 1996. For what it's worth....


Known BRC-40s - 1996
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1208 - April 1941 W-2016055
Randall W. Withrow
Huntsville, AL

1242 - ? Jean and Suzanne Ziger
Echternach, Luxembourg

1334 - ? Michael, King of Romania
Geneva, Switzerland

1390 - March 1941 Reginald A. Hodgson
Alberta, CA

1398 - April 1941 W-2016239
G. Joeseph Hudak
Marine on St Croix, MN

1498 - ? Carl Miller
Ft. Pierce, FL

1576 - ? Michael, King of Romania
Geneva, Switzerland


1589 - ? Leeland Bortmas
Butler, PA

1808 - ? Leeland Bortmas
Butler, PA

1838 - April 1941 George F. Milne
Blairstown, NJ

1911 - ? Frank E. Buck
Mountainhome, PA

2278 - ? Thomas Wilder
Williston, ND

2382 - June 1941 Camenisch Armin
Wadenswil CH, Switzerland

2561 - June 1941 Tony Sudds
Farningham, Ken, United Kingdom

2597 - ? Beachwood Canvas Works
Island Heights, NJ

2647 - September 1941 W-2030530
G. Joeseph Hudak
Marine on St Croix, MN

2649 - ? W. David Etchason
Upland, CA

66751- ? Hal H. Thompson
Arcadia, FL

? - ? Beachwood Canvas Works
Island Heights, NJ

? - ? Beachwood Canvas Works
Island Heights, NJ

? - ? Vintage Military Vehicles
John Ferrie
Fort Collins, CO

? - ? Charles Geer
Caldwell, ID

? - ? Steve Greenberg
Portland, OR

? - ? Ray Hockers
Green Bay, WI

? - ? McGee Heating (Bill King)
South Lake Tahoe, CA

? - ? Johan Priem
Gent, Belgium


? - ? W-2017172
Leeland Bortmas
Butler, PA

? - ? W-2016300
Rick Larsen
Boring, OR

? - ?
Donald H. Prine
Tillicum, WA
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1944 CJ2-12 - X36
1944 CJ2-16 - X40
1945 CJ2-37 - X61
1945 CJ2A-10012

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Postby Michael Browne » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:04 pm

Hello Todd,

You can cross Ray Hockers off the list, his was traded with Ken Hake. It didn't have an engine or transmission.

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Postby Steve Greenberg » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:05 pm

Tom,
My Bantam USA # is 2016884. The S/N 1081 was stamped on the block. As MR. Know-it-all R. Larson :roll: pointed out my serial number is not correct for my jeep. At least my Bantam runs! :lol: Tom keep up the good work.
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Postby Tom Wolboldt » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:43 pm

Hi Steve,

Is that better ? Or maybe I should check with Rick instead ?

How is the motor block serial numbered and where? I want to check on # 1456 and see what the motor number is.
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Postby Steve Greenberg » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:47 pm

Tom,
As far as I know the serial number was only stamped on the engine data plate. My engine was stamped under the data plate on the block. (I was missing the original plate). I do not know who stamped it there.
You can ask Rick...he seems to know everything! :?
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Postby cblynch » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:47 am

You left coasters!!!!!! Just spent a week out there for the Austin Bantam Society annual meet........ incredible!....Santa Maria, California... Not one cloud in the sky, temps never higher than 80, never lower than 60........perfect........ met a lot of new ABS folks, and YES, they did have their new grade one BRC, owned by Jim Johnston, and because the judge (CBL) felt strange grading it against civilian cars, it did not win a trophy............BUT..... now California folks now have a BRC to display, and it WAS the showstealer............
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Postby Tom Wolboldt » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:17 am

Hi Bruce,

In the G503 serial number list you have your BRC # 1237 with a DOD of April 7th, 41. How did you get this date? I thought BRC 40s only had a Month and year in the date.

Also do you have any numbers or data to add from the California Bantam you posted about?
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Postby cblynch » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:15 am

Tom, Question one. I assure you my date is right, but the last time I revealed this source I started WW3, as I am sure Todd would testify to....(not with anyone on this site)...........question two. it was Ken Hakes very last BRC restoration, delivered to Jim Johnston of Ventura, California about a month ago........ did not get the serial number, might get it for you when I talk to Jim again......BTW, he is past President of Austin Bantam Society...... I was excited to see this past Sunday he is also restoring a Bantam civilian trailer..........great unit.........Jim's is the first middle/southern California BRC in MANY years................
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Postby Todd Paisley » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:10 pm

Jim's BRC is really nice. I can post the photos he sent me Bruce if you think he wouldn't mind.
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Postby Todd Paisley » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:52 pm

Here is Jim Johnston's nice BRC-40:

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1945 CJ2A-10012

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2017375

Postby Tom Wolboldt » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:27 pm

Hi Bruce and Todd,

I wonder where Ken got the hood number 2017375 from. My records shows this was never a Bantam number or ever an anything number. It falls into some of the voids that show up in the WW2 hood numbers that were used.
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Postby DavidA » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:41 pm

There is one in Flagstaff. Don't have any details on numbers however, I did see it and it was freestanding :D . I think he needed a windshield as I recall.

Can't publish the guys name without his approval.

Update: 11/05/06. I now hear that the Flagstaff Bantam went to Belgium. So disregard my optimistic hope that I had found another. :cry:

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