NOM12 paint removal
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I think you might be right Olivier. Here's a close up.
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The "133" in the 5th MarDiv UNIS marking should be Division HQ ("1"xx), Signal Company (x"3"x).
The windshield marking certainly could represent an ammunition unit but the "red shield" (not unlike the 3MAC design) is most likely post-WW2. The 5th MarDiv was deactivated after WW2 so the jeep would have gone to some other unit. I have yet to see a guide on the postwar USMC tactical/unit vehicle markings.
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The windshield marking certainly could represent an ammunition unit but the "red shield" (not unlike the 3MAC design) is most likely post-WW2. The 5th MarDiv was deactivated after WW2 so the jeep would have gone to some other unit. I have yet to see a guide on the postwar USMC tactical/unit vehicle markings.
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Thanks for all the info guys! As I look at that picture it looks like it could be H . S after the shield, would that make any sense? If you look closely you can see the dot.
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hello
H-S headquarters and service
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H-S headquarters and service
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I will have to pull my green book out but I think that is headquarters and supply.
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VERY cool pics.
Headquarters and Service Battery
2nd 155mm Howitzer Battalion, FMF
Activated: 04/16/44 in Hawaii (formed from 5th Battalion, 10th Marines)
Deactivated: 05/06/45 in Hawaii
This battalion (along with the 4th 155mm Howitzer Battalion) was part of the 1st Provisional Field Artillery Group, VAC, beginning 10/12/44 (in Hawaii). The Group supported the Iwo Jima assault and later was moved to Guam.
To complicate matters, there was also a 2nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion (90mm). Based on Erickson's 7th AA Battalion sea bag (above), they too used the red shield marking. However, Erickson's marking also has the "AA" above which distinguishes it from the 7th 155mm Gun Battalion, FMF. Walker's sea bag -- the 10th 155mm Gun Battalion, FMF -- was not an AA unit and uses the red shield. I think this supports the liklihood that the NOM-12 belonged to the howitzer unit.
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Headquarters and Service Battery
2nd 155mm Howitzer Battalion, FMF
Activated: 04/16/44 in Hawaii (formed from 5th Battalion, 10th Marines)
Deactivated: 05/06/45 in Hawaii
This battalion (along with the 4th 155mm Howitzer Battalion) was part of the 1st Provisional Field Artillery Group, VAC, beginning 10/12/44 (in Hawaii). The Group supported the Iwo Jima assault and later was moved to Guam.
To complicate matters, there was also a 2nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion (90mm). Based on Erickson's 7th AA Battalion sea bag (above), they too used the red shield marking. However, Erickson's marking also has the "AA" above which distinguishes it from the 7th 155mm Gun Battalion, FMF. Walker's sea bag -- the 10th 155mm Gun Battalion, FMF -- was not an AA unit and uses the red shield. I think this supports the liklihood that the NOM-12 belonged to the howitzer unit.
Jeff Q.
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Well, I'm having ACL surgery this week so I'll take the opportunity to try and finish the process. Will update you guys with new pics. I already have another project lined up but I probably won't get started on that one until next year if I don't sell it sooner. I did however look for the hood number. It was in the same family since 1946 until I purchased it. I hope to be able to do the same thing with it. So far revealing the original hood numbers makes me very optimistic.
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Hello there 65shelby-
That is one great looking jeep.
The Iwo photo airborne-53 posted was originally put up by me on USMILITARIAFORUM and I thank him for reposting it here as the tactical markings are of great interest to me. I have a few thoughts to add regarding your jeep's marks that I hope are correct, and helpful.
First, I agree with others, your red shield marking indicates Headquarters & Service Battery, 2nd 155mm Howitzer Battalion. The unit ceased to exist after Iwo so that is a WWII marking. The unit’s lineage is 3rd Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Marine Division then 5th Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Marine Division, before becoming 2nd 155mm Howitzer Battalion of Vth Amphibious Corps Artillery.
The 2nd Marine Division is supposed to have used a rectangular UNIS mark similar to that of the 5th. If so, this could make sense, and would suggest that the jeep stayed in service with essentially the same people through at least one designation change from a 2nd Division unit to Corps Artillery unit. If it is instead the 5th Division UNIS, that division was on the big island of Hawaii training before Iwo as was the 2nd 155 so that could also be a link. Either way your jeep has a very interesting service history that seems would include at least Hawaii, Iwo, and maybe Guam. And WOW is it in great shape.
Was there any evidence that one of the unit marks was painted out that would suggest which of the two came first?
Here is an article about veterans of the unit:
http://www.hidesertstar.com/observation ... f887a.html
The commanding officer of the 1st Provisional Field Artillery Group, of which the 2nd 155 was a part, privately published a memoir which covers the action on Iwo:
http://www.abebooks.com/Marines-Story-B ... 7713966/bd
Hope you will post photos when you finish the restoration-
Best Regards-
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That is one great looking jeep.
The Iwo photo airborne-53 posted was originally put up by me on USMILITARIAFORUM and I thank him for reposting it here as the tactical markings are of great interest to me. I have a few thoughts to add regarding your jeep's marks that I hope are correct, and helpful.
First, I agree with others, your red shield marking indicates Headquarters & Service Battery, 2nd 155mm Howitzer Battalion. The unit ceased to exist after Iwo so that is a WWII marking. The unit’s lineage is 3rd Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Marine Division then 5th Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Marine Division, before becoming 2nd 155mm Howitzer Battalion of Vth Amphibious Corps Artillery.
The 2nd Marine Division is supposed to have used a rectangular UNIS mark similar to that of the 5th. If so, this could make sense, and would suggest that the jeep stayed in service with essentially the same people through at least one designation change from a 2nd Division unit to Corps Artillery unit. If it is instead the 5th Division UNIS, that division was on the big island of Hawaii training before Iwo as was the 2nd 155 so that could also be a link. Either way your jeep has a very interesting service history that seems would include at least Hawaii, Iwo, and maybe Guam. And WOW is it in great shape.
Was there any evidence that one of the unit marks was painted out that would suggest which of the two came first?
Here is an article about veterans of the unit:
http://www.hidesertstar.com/observation ... f887a.html
The commanding officer of the 1st Provisional Field Artillery Group, of which the 2nd 155 was a part, privately published a memoir which covers the action on Iwo:
http://www.abebooks.com/Marines-Story-B ... 7713966/bd
Hope you will post photos when you finish the restoration-
Best Regards-
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Hi GMpete,
Thank you for sharing all that knowledge. The jeep had a layer of Navy paint along with USN registration numbers on the hood and tail panel over the original USMC color and markings. I will be posting some pictures in a couple of weeks or so. The jeep original came from California which accounts for the excellent condition that it's in. Here's a picture of the USN number on the hood.
Thank you for sharing all that knowledge. The jeep had a layer of Navy paint along with USN registration numbers on the hood and tail panel over the original USMC color and markings. I will be posting some pictures in a couple of weeks or so. The jeep original came from California which accounts for the excellent condition that it's in. Here's a picture of the USN number on the hood.
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In that same series of photos from Iwo of the 4th 155mm Howitzer Battalion was one where you can see part of a jerry can with the unit mark applied up the side. I don't know how common that was, but looks like these units may have done it. Thought it might be of interest down the road as, though the one shown is a water can, I imagine they might have done it to the cans on the jeeps as well. Wish I had some vehicle shots but they seemed to avoid anything of too military a nature I guess to get past the Naval Censor so mostly all buddy pics. All best.
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shelby are you using a chemical to strip the jeep or just a razor?
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