USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Mark Tombleson » Fri May 19, 2017 1:24 pm

Henry, welcome to the G503 Forums! :D

We sure would like a body number for our records? It is on the face of the driver's side body gusset (ACM Type II or Type B). A photo would be great but just the number will help.

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The gusset is by the steering gear.
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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Henry T » Sun May 21, 2017 10:07 am

Mark

Here is the body number for U.S.M.C 54135
Body number 3690
I also have the delivery date 5th May 1943
I will send photographs in the next week or two, hope this is ok?

Thanks for the help
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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Mark Tombleson » Sun May 21, 2017 1:56 pm

Where did you get the DOS date of 5th May 1943, Henry?

In an earlier post you said, "12-5-1943" ?

Are you sure the number was on the face of the gusset... that being Type "B" or what is also called type II?

Like this one?

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We look forward to seeing those photos.
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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Henry T » Wed May 24, 2017 7:54 am

Mark

The body number is on the side of the gusset as in type A or ACM TYPE 1 body.

The 12.5.43 date was on the registration certificate and paperwork that came with the jeep when I bought it.
I've just found a letter in the pack from the Military Vehicle Trust which says it was built May 1943 but can't confirm the day.
The chassis tag body number USMC number, US Navy number and a G83 number were all clear to see.The glove box lid plates look to be similar age to the jeep but no numbers or dates stamped on possibly been stenciled and worn off.
The MZ-2 plate needs a bit more cleaning to read properly , a bit more research needed.

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Mark Tombleson » Wed May 24, 2017 9:56 am

Ah, this makes much more sense to me now.

Your gusset looks like mine... 4235

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and here is another... 4092

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Your frame and body are a MB-NOM-12, what is know as an MZ.

Your information, Frame: MB 234099........Body: N/A/.............DoD: N/A.................S.N.: USMC 54135 ....Tag No. 10182-B - *NOM-12 converted to MZ-2 added 2-12-16

Your body number 3690 needs to be added to the list as well as the US Navy 9415744 number.

Henry, did you find a MZ-2 data plate on the dash or did something else lead you to believe it was an MZ-2 body? The data plates you found on the door, were they silk screened with rivets?

Like this one...

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I think the paperwork stating 12-5-43 may mean May 12, 1943 which is correct if you look at the numbers on page 1 of this thread. It includes your jeep.

Frame: MB 230099........Body: 3414.............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A.........................Tag No. N/A
Frame: MB 234092........Body: N/A............. DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A.........................Tag No. N/A - (upgraded to MZ-2) added 3-17-16
Frame: MB 234096........Body: 3721............ DoD: May 13, 1943.......S.N.: U.S.M.C. 43764............Tag No. N/A - S. Charles Updated 2-12-16
Frame: N/A................Body: 3790.............DoD: May 20, 1943.......S.N.: U.S.M.C. 54198............Tag No. N/A - R. Graf Updated 2-12-16
Frame: N/A................Body: 3818 ............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A..........................Tag No. N/A - F. Steele Updated 2-12-16
Frame: N/A................Body: 3859 ............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A..........................Tag No. N/A
Frame: N/A................Body: 3983 ............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A..........................Tag No. N/A - added 2-12-16
Frame: MB 234099........Body: N/A/.............DoD: N/A.................S.N.: USMC 54135 ....Tag No. 10182-B - *NOM-12 converted to MZ-2 added 2-12-16
Frame: MB 234140........Body: 3711.............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A..........................Tag No. N/A - Sam added 2-12-16
Frame: N/A................Body: 3050 ............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A..........................Tag No. N/A
Frame: N/A................Body: 4161.............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A..........................Tag No. N/A - E. Ongaro
Photo:.............................................................................S.N.: U.S.M.C. 53223
Frame: MB 239016........Body: N/A..............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A...........................Tag No. N/A - Gavin M. Added 1-22-17
Frame: MB 270679........Body: 4092.............DoD: Oct. 23, 1943.......S.N.: N/A.........................Tag No. 1351 - S. Douglas
Frame: MB 270857........Body: 3088 .............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A.........................Tag No. N/A - J. Urrabazo Updated 2-12-16
Frame: MB 270892........Body: N/A/.............DoD: N/A..................S.N.: N/A.........................Tag No. N/A - added 2-12-16

Farrell, we also need to question the owner of USMC number 43764, as it appears that number should start with a 5. Maybe 54376? Can you do that as I don't remember who S. Charles is. :oops:
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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Henry T » Wed May 24, 2017 1:03 pm

Mark


Th







Mark

The gussets and body No are exactly as yours,

The MZ-2 plate is screwed to the dash panel, the data plates are lead riveted to the glove box lid, the standard lettering is embossed but the individual

details are not visible. I am not very familiar with computers but as soon as I can get the camera connected to it I will send the photos of all these things

then you will be able to work it all out more easily. The only thing I am not sure about is the 12 part of the build or delivery date because I do not know

where the person who added it to the paperwork got it from. Thank you very much for all your help.

Henry

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Henry T » Thu May 25, 2017 7:53 am

Mark

The MZ-2 plate reads MODEL MZ-2

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Henry T » Sat May 27, 2017 3:06 am

Hi Mark, here are the photos, I hope I've included all the pics. They are in no particular order!!

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Mark Tombleson » Sat May 27, 2017 8:46 am

Those are great photos, Henry!

Additional photos that would be helpful would be of the number on the gusset, the engine number, the back of the jeep where the lift rings (or holes for them) should be, and a few of the electrical components in the engine bay.

Your MB-NOM-12 seems to have been updated with MZ-2 radio equipment... maybe other items like suppression and some water resistant features?
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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Henry T » Sun May 28, 2017 5:33 am

Hi Mark, glad you like the photos. Here are the other photos you asked for:-

Copper braided wiring loom.
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Engine compartment with wiring.
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Chassis lifting hook bolts.
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Engine number MB-250092
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Body number on gusset.
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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Haverdessis » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:11 pm

Wow nice info mate, just curious where u got it all ? )) funnily is that i was searching for hgh reviews and i found you guys. but i'm very happy that i did. lol.
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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by The Fireman » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:40 am

Mark,

My MB 343492, body number 3644, where does this fit into the scheme of things. I will be putting her up for sale shortly and will need the information to make sure the for sale ad is correct.

I hope you are doing well in Texas, all is fine here in Oregon,

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Mark Tombleson » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:19 am

Here is what we show on your jeep, Frank:

Frame: MB 343492........Body 3644..............DoD: N/A.....................S.N.: U.S.M.C. 102076.............Tag No. N/A - F. Steele Added 2-3-16

What we need to know is the same issue as above, is your gusset type 1 or 2? If 2 then you have a complete MZ-2 with a low numbered frame, if you have a square gusset type 1 you have a salad with a MZ-2 frame and a NOM-12 body.

So, photo? Did we go over this before? I have a couple of dozen photos of this jeep and none of the gusset number?

Frank... you holding out on me my friend? :lol: :lol:

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by The Fireman » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:38 am

Mark,

Thanks for the reply. Will get back to you late this week. We are shoving off right now to CA for granddaughter's fourth birthday.

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Re: USMC/NAVY Radio Jeep Serial Number Data

Post by Mark Tombleson » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:18 pm

Got Frank's photo... square type 1 gusset... you have a salad with a MZ-2 frame and a NOM-12 body. :)

Also from Frank...

"One item I found in the files of the jeep was the engine number in the jeep when purchased was MB 425078, cast date 5-20. Don’t remember were the cast date was. Water had gotten into the cylinders and the cylinder wall between 3 and 4 cylinders didn’t exist and was very corroded and not salvageable.

Don’t know where the engine number fits into the scheme of things, hence information only."
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