EARLY GPW ENGINE
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EARLY GPW ENGINE
Have a guy offered me an early GPW engine for $3000. runs, looks original, all the markings look good. He pulled it years ago to install a V6.
Is that a fair price?
Is that a fair price?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
How early? Did you see it run? Take compression readings? What are the markings, any correct accessories? pictures of vin and casting numbers? Any cracks or welds? Any guarantee?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
What is included?
Head, water pump, crank pulley & timing chain cover, oil pump, distributor, coil, intake/exhaust manifolds, carb, starter, bellhousing, etc. This is important since you would need to purchase those items if you don't have them already. How was it stored? Is it full of rust, left out in the rain or wrapped up and dry in a garage?
"Ran when parked" is better than blown up, but WHY did he pull it and can you now get it running as it is? If it runs you may be able to get a compression test on it.
Without a guarantee which he's probably not able to give you, you may find out you are just buying a core you that you need to dump a couple grand into depending on what it needs and your skills/abilities.
If you found a short block and tore it down and cleaned, magnafluxed and pressure tested the block and it needed work...if you paid a low enough price then a few hundred dollars or so of crack repairs in addition to being sleeved, balanced and rebuilt would not break the bank.
However, I have GPW108552 USA 20371276, a Louisville GPW (no data plate but probably 4/21/43) chassis with matching numbered motor GPW108552 and when I bought it, I started it up, drove it around the block and up onto a trailer. I drove it off the trailer and into my garage years ago...It "Ran When Parked" also....for $3,000 you can come get it and we can probably get it started. Comes with a bellhousing and empty T84 case (MB) just to keep it mounted on the crossmember. It is a rolling chassis with the exhaust system still on it and a 636 Carter. No combat rims though.
The MB tub on it was sold long ago....if you want more to chew on, I have a Ford tub, hood, fenders, windshield, front & rear seats (F) for it. Just bring your trailer and some cash.
But I digress....back to that motor:
Unless you can get 'er running and check everything out...then in my opinion you are buying a pig in a poke....and unless the gamble paid off you would be out a ton of money rather than just buying a short block for substantially LESS and taking a gamble on that one.
Head, water pump, crank pulley & timing chain cover, oil pump, distributor, coil, intake/exhaust manifolds, carb, starter, bellhousing, etc. This is important since you would need to purchase those items if you don't have them already. How was it stored? Is it full of rust, left out in the rain or wrapped up and dry in a garage?
"Ran when parked" is better than blown up, but WHY did he pull it and can you now get it running as it is? If it runs you may be able to get a compression test on it.
Without a guarantee which he's probably not able to give you, you may find out you are just buying a core you that you need to dump a couple grand into depending on what it needs and your skills/abilities.
If you found a short block and tore it down and cleaned, magnafluxed and pressure tested the block and it needed work...if you paid a low enough price then a few hundred dollars or so of crack repairs in addition to being sleeved, balanced and rebuilt would not break the bank.
However, I have GPW108552 USA 20371276, a Louisville GPW (no data plate but probably 4/21/43) chassis with matching numbered motor GPW108552 and when I bought it, I started it up, drove it around the block and up onto a trailer. I drove it off the trailer and into my garage years ago...It "Ran When Parked" also....for $3,000 you can come get it and we can probably get it started. Comes with a bellhousing and empty T84 case (MB) just to keep it mounted on the crossmember. It is a rolling chassis with the exhaust system still on it and a 636 Carter. No combat rims though.
The MB tub on it was sold long ago....if you want more to chew on, I have a Ford tub, hood, fenders, windshield, front & rear seats (F) for it. Just bring your trailer and some cash.
But I digress....back to that motor:
Unless you can get 'er running and check everything out...then in my opinion you are buying a pig in a poke....and unless the gamble paid off you would be out a ton of money rather than just buying a short block for substantially LESS and taking a gamble on that one.
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Never pay more than "Core" value if you cannot witness it run un less the seller will give you a refund if it is not as represented.
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Chuck,Chuck Lutz wrote: However, I have GPW108552 USA 20371276, a Louisville GPW (no data plate but probably 4/21/43) chassis with matching numbered motor GPW108552 and when I bought it, I started it up, drove it around the block and up onto a trailer. I drove it off the trailer and into my garage years ago...It "Ran When Parked" also....for $3,000 you can come get it and we can probably get it started. Comes with a bellhousing and empty T84 case (MB) just to keep it mounted on the crossmember. It is a rolling chassis with the exhaust system still on it and a 636 Carter. No combat rims though.
The MB tub on it was sold long ago....if you want more to chew on, I have a Ford tub, hood, fenders, windshield, front & rear seats (F) for it. Just bring your trailer and some cash.
But I digress....back to that motor:
Unless you can get 'er running and check everything out...then in my opinion you are buying a pig in a poke....and unless the gamble paid off you would be out a ton of money rather than just buying a short block for substantially LESS and taking a gamble on that one.
I have GPW 108175 but it has a CJ block in it. Wanna send your 108552 block to the east coast for me?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Now Sean....you know I'd never break up a matching frame & motor combination, right?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Just testing you, Chuck I would never do that either! It would be nice to have a block that close for mine, though.Chuck Lutz wrote:Now Sean....you know I'd never break up a matching frame & motor combination, right?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Well Sean...you COULD buy my GPW set up and get rid of yours?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
I never understood why a GPW owner would want an engine close to their frame number -- it's never going to be matching. Why not just drop in the best engine you can find? For an MB owner, I can understand the search for an engine "withing range."twinflyer17 wrote:Just testing you, Chuck I would never do that either! It would be nice to have a block that close for mine, though.Chuck Lutz wrote:Now Sean....you know I'd never break up a matching frame & motor combination, right?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Didn't one of our Norwegian friends find his missing matching number engine a few years back? It's not a total impossibility to find a match, just nearly impossible.macaddict23 wrote:I never understood why a GPW owner would want an engine close to their frame number -- it's never going to be matching.
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
I wasn't referring to guys looking for their original true matching engine.Fortyeight2A wrote:Didn't one of our Norwegian friends find his missing matching number engine a few years back? It's not a total impossibility to find a match, just nearly impossible.
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Chuck, that's a highly tempting ideaChuck Lutz wrote:Well Sean...you COULD buy my GPW set up and get rid of yours?
I don't understanding the purpose of your comment we are all allowed to have our own opinions and desires, regardless of what others think. As a personal preference, I think it would be cool to have an engine very close to what the original in my jeep once was. I have a strong running CJ engine in mine now, so at this point finding and buying a GPW engine close to the original would be for personal gratification. I guess my logic is totally unreasonable, though. Guess that also means the effort I have made to find any other original GPW parts fitting for my DOD was unreasonable, too.macaddict23 wrote:I never understood why a GPW owner would want an engine close to their frame number -- it's never going to be matching. Why not just drop in the best engine you can find? For an MB owner, I can understand the search for an engine "withing range."twinflyer17 wrote:Just testing you, Chuck I would never do that either! It would be nice to have a block that close for mine, though.Chuck Lutz wrote:Now Sean....you know I'd never break up a matching frame & motor combination, right?
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Re: EARLY GPW ENGINE
Twin.....
Well....there is also the tub, fenders, hood, windshield, front and rear seats, GPW trans & T/C, etc. I have been hoarding for the project which I just don't think I am ever going to be able to do...
Well....there is also the tub, fenders, hood, windshield, front and rear seats, GPW trans & T/C, etc. I have been hoarding for the project which I just don't think I am ever going to be able to do...
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GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3-C 1947
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