Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Hello Arsene
Thanks for this interesting picture!
Could you make an close up picture about this mirror arm and publish on this site G503.com?
I would like to check if this arm have an hole on the bottom?
Thanks in Advance
Christopher
Thanks for this interesting picture!
Could you make an close up picture about this mirror arm and publish on this site G503.com?
I would like to check if this arm have an hole on the bottom?
Thanks in Advance
Christopher
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Christophe....is this what you wanted?
1) I can see the collar has an "indent" opposite the screw rastener.
2) I can't see if the screw is square-headed, or a hex-headed screw or a hex-headed screw with a screwdriver slot in the hex head
3) I can see a "drain hole" on the front of the lower section of the tubing
4) I can't tell for sure, but the pivot arm top fastener should be a round/pointed acorn nut but this one looks FLATTENED
That is what I saw when I blew it up, cropped it and went to black & white: EDIT:
Here is a pic of a mirror on a 1942 GPW that is for sale on G503 that Farrell Fox was kind enough to post for the owner. Hard to tell but looking a LOT like the one above:
1) I can see the collar has an "indent" opposite the screw rastener.
2) I can't see if the screw is square-headed, or a hex-headed screw or a hex-headed screw with a screwdriver slot in the hex head
3) I can see a "drain hole" on the front of the lower section of the tubing
4) I can't tell for sure, but the pivot arm top fastener should be a round/pointed acorn nut but this one looks FLATTENED
That is what I saw when I blew it up, cropped it and went to black & white: EDIT:
Here is a pic of a mirror on a 1942 GPW that is for sale on G503 that Farrell Fox was kind enough to post for the owner. Hard to tell but looking a LOT like the one above:
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
For what its worth, this is the mirror arm from MB101256:
Although hard to see the lower part has the slot in the tube at the collar. The collar is squared on top rather than rounded and there is no hole on the opposite side of the set screw. The set screw is hex headed with a screw driver slot. I suspect a drain hole was there, but that area is rusted out and would have faced the rear of the jeep. Looks like the one in Farrell's picture.
Andy
Although hard to see the lower part has the slot in the tube at the collar. The collar is squared on top rather than rounded and there is no hole on the opposite side of the set screw. The set screw is hex headed with a screw driver slot. I suspect a drain hole was there, but that area is rusted out and would have faced the rear of the jeep. Looks like the one in Farrell's picture.
Andy
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Hello All
Please look this mirror arm of my slat.
The brackets goes to the body are original from my slat.
The arm is NOS original I found long time ago Into the states.
What is your opinion about this arm? is is correct for slat grill?
He has no hole on the bottom.
Thanks
Please look this mirror arm of my slat.
The brackets goes to the body are original from my slat.
The arm is NOS original I found long time ago Into the states.
What is your opinion about this arm? is is correct for slat grill?
He has no hole on the bottom.
Thanks
Christophe Chevalet
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
PIVOT: straight out, no stepped style like GPWs have = OK
ACORN NUTS: Frankly I see Brass and Steel, some are rounded some are pointed = you at least have them! = OK
BOTTOM TUBE: has the correct arc where the tube was flattened, right rounded end, early THIN style, notched at the other end for compressing the top tube, no sign of the drain hole but I think that might have been later on in production = OK
TOP TUBE: has the correct arc where the tube was flattened, right rounded end = OK
COLLAR: squared-off style, hex nut, square-headed screw = OK
Considering some details are still sketchy about the many different slightly different details found on WWII jeeps....I would have no problem using this one for an early slat grill.....and I'm a GPW guy!
ACORN NUTS: Frankly I see Brass and Steel, some are rounded some are pointed = you at least have them! = OK
BOTTOM TUBE: has the correct arc where the tube was flattened, right rounded end, early THIN style, notched at the other end for compressing the top tube, no sign of the drain hole but I think that might have been later on in production = OK
TOP TUBE: has the correct arc where the tube was flattened, right rounded end = OK
COLLAR: squared-off style, hex nut, square-headed screw = OK
Considering some details are still sketchy about the many different slightly different details found on WWII jeeps....I would have no problem using this one for an early slat grill.....and I'm a GPW guy!
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Hello Chuck
For your opinion, you are right the original acorn nut are in brass, I have the original acorn nut in brass.
I have a doubt concerning the square-headed screw, I think it's hex headed screw like on the picture of the rusty one?
Thanks
For your opinion, you are right the original acorn nut are in brass, I have the original acorn nut in brass.
I have a doubt concerning the square-headed screw, I think it's hex headed screw like on the picture of the rusty one?
Thanks
Christophe Chevalet
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
I have an early MB Mirror Arm in my spares, removed it from a slat grill back in the 50'. It has a slotted Hex Set Screw.
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Thanks for this precision, could you publish one pict about this early mirror arm just to made an comparison with mine?
Christophe Chevalet
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
I ran across this picture from Jeep Draw. Looks like a later slat. Can anybody tell what type of collar this is (domed vs. straight)?
Thanks,
Andy
Thanks,
Andy
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Tough to tell 100%...but I would say that is NOT the rounded collar type and is like Christophe's
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Thanks Chuck. You are likely correct. Maybe its just the picture, but the collar looks a tad shorter to me than the straight type. I don't see a drain hole either, unless it is facing the front.
Andy
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Hi,
thanks for share about some interesting matter.
Looking the photo I have a doubt........
Are all the acorn nuts similar ?
I´m asking, because I noted they look different
Tks
thanks for share about some interesting matter.
Looking the photo I have a doubt........
Are all the acorn nuts similar ?
I´m asking, because I noted they look different
Tks
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Since mirrors are probably the easiest thing to smash in the field after windshield glass....it is very hard to identify "original" mirrors and arm assemblies according to Ford/Willys or Early/Late or even mixed up parts.
I would say that for you early MB guys perhaps there are actually TWO slightly different versions:
1) has the indent opposite the adjusting screw (helps put tension on the inner tube?)
2) does not have that indent.
3) Both have a collare with out the rounded top end
Some have a HEX head with a screwdriver slot and some have a solid square-headed screw.
Charlie: There are round-headed Acorn nuts in that location and pointed Acorn nuts in that location. Some are BRASS and some are STEEL. Were they original or from later mirrors? Who knows, but I favor BRASS early and have no idea about pointed or rounded styles. That may not be the same situation for the Acorn nuts on the ARM though....not sure about them at all if they had rounded and pointed but it would seem logical that if the ones on the pivot bracket were BRASS or STEEL that the ones used on the arm would be of the same material.
It seems your pivot bracket Acorns are ROUNDED and maybe the arm one in the photo is pointed.
Confusing, isn't it!!!!!
I would say that for you early MB guys perhaps there are actually TWO slightly different versions:
1) has the indent opposite the adjusting screw (helps put tension on the inner tube?)
2) does not have that indent.
3) Both have a collare with out the rounded top end
Some have a HEX head with a screwdriver slot and some have a solid square-headed screw.
Charlie: There are round-headed Acorn nuts in that location and pointed Acorn nuts in that location. Some are BRASS and some are STEEL. Were they original or from later mirrors? Who knows, but I favor BRASS early and have no idea about pointed or rounded styles. That may not be the same situation for the Acorn nuts on the ARM though....not sure about them at all if they had rounded and pointed but it would seem logical that if the ones on the pivot bracket were BRASS or STEEL that the ones used on the arm would be of the same material.
It seems your pivot bracket Acorns are ROUNDED and maybe the arm one in the photo is pointed.
Confusing, isn't it!!!!!
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
Charlie:
Check for residue of a little blue pill around that acorn nut at the bottom of the mirror arm. Have you parked your jeep next to a Fiat lately?
Check for residue of a little blue pill around that acorn nut at the bottom of the mirror arm. Have you parked your jeep next to a Fiat lately?
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Re: Mirror Arm - Early Slat Grill & MA type
CharlieS: I have two sets that are like that with one of the rounded pair being brass. I cannot say that they are original but they are as original as I can find anywhere else. The more modern nuts are totally different than the old ones you show. Since I like brass, they are going on my slat until someone proves that they aren't supposed to be. I figure the latches on the windshield are brass, why not?
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