3 Color Forest Camo Paint - Matching or CARC?

[almonster]

I was wondering if anyone knew of a California supplier of the correct colors CARC II/III for 3 color forest camo. I live in N. Calif so closer would be better.

I would like to use original paints but if I have to match using PPG/Dupont poly paint (which might last longer), I will.

Any help provided would be appreciated. Has anyone ever matched these closely?

Which is better, matching or using original stuff? I know the IR signature is not going to be right if I use matching but I understand that PPG also supplies the military, and if so what are the right PPG colors?

Unfortunately, RAPCO's website is perpetually down.

This site was recommended to me by some auto bodies - http://tinyurl.com/c4yxw

[dilvoy]

I think Ron Fitzpatrick it selling the Gillespie paints now.

[Kurt Lesser]

Almonster,

You DO NOT want to use original paint unless you have access to a paint booth with a pressure fed respirator. Part of the original CARC formulation is cyanide and it's not fun stuff to shoot. Use the Gillespie paints available from sources around the country, you'll be safer if not healthier.

All of the paints used for the HMMWV are referred to as 383 ______. You determine which camo scheme your shooting and add the color name to the 383 designation. For 3 color woodland camo the colors are 383 green, 383 black, and 383 field drab.

DoD occupational safety and health guidance called for proper personal protective equipment, including respiratory equipment, to protect painters who employ spray painting equipment. Several compounds in CARC formulations, if taken into the body in sufficiently high concentrations, may cause short- and long-term health effects. The most notable of these compounds is hexamethylene diisocyanate (HDI), which hardens the paint. Solvents used in CARC and paint thinners, as well as solvents used to clean equipment, can be hazardous via skin contact and breathing. Exposures to solvents can lead to dizziness, rashes, and nausea. However, the proper wear of personal protective equipment greatly decreases the risks associated with exposure to solvents.

Name NSN 1 gallon Color

Desert Sand 8010-00-111-8004 33637
Sand 8010-00-111-7988 30277
Earth yellow 8010-00-111-7968 30257
Earth red 8010-00-111-8003 30117
Field drab 8010-00-111-7943 30118
Earth brown 8010-00-111-7998 30099
Olive drab 8010-00-111-7940 34087
Light green 8010-00-111-7930 34151
Dark green 8010-00-111-7938 34102
Forest green 8010-00-111-7937 34079
Black 8010-00-111-8005 37038

[Action]

A local paint shop near Cincinnati, OH has a color chart for military colors. I just took a piece of the truck with me to match up the right color for the green. Any auto paint shop carrying PPG should have this chart or be able to get it.

Jason

[Phantom Dude]

Just call Rapco, Mark is Normally there, I ordered a case or 2 last week.

[Kurt Lesser]

In my posting above the original layout had nice spacing between all the numbers but it didn't translate that way. The central number is the NSN for that color in gallon cans and the last 5 digit number is the number you need to take to the paint shop. it's the federal paint color spec for each color. Typically numbers starting with a 1 were glossy, a 2 got you semigloss, and a 3 was for flat, non glossy paints.

If you want to take a sample for color matching remember to grab something that hasn't been exposed to the sun for years and is faded.

[ReconHumvee]

I used Rapco 383 Green, 383 Black and 383 Brown, matched my paint exactly, national guard use a local paint supplier to match their paint but Rapco has been consistent in quality and the spray cans used properly are really good. I thought about shooting the whole vehicle but lets face it most military units patch paint their vehicles and even if you did a pro-shooting job it would still look imperfect because of the under paint drips ect. you definitely don't want to sand the paint or sandblast or use stripper that CARC paint is really bad stuff to the human body. And it isn't the same as lead based paint of yesterday

[Action]

For some dumb reason, I tried a can of Aircraft Stripper. I forgot that the CARC is chemical resistant. Nothing happened. I did have to sand some spots on the sponsons. I used plenty of protection, though.

Jason

Jason

[phazer42]

MILSPRAY has waterbased CARC which is just as tough as the solvent based, but not nearly as deadly.... thick to spray but most definatly the best alternative when it comes to painting your Military Humvee....

Scott
'85 Tan M998 W/CTIS
'01 HMCO

[almonster]

I have not contacted them yet but will try to in the next day or so.

here is their contact info:

RAPCO Parts Company
PO BOX 191 Bowie TX 76230

940-872-2403-
FAX 940-872-3406

Also, does anyone know what primer I should use?

[almonster]

Rapco is still around. Friendly crew.

Does anyone know if the primer that Rapco sells - red oxide zinc sulfate is applicable to aluminum?

[dunsbr]

Firrst off I have to say I am not an expert on this but....
I believe that red oxide primers are for steel and give an anti corrosion effect.
I understand what ho need is an acid etch primer. Alternatively you can use a surface pretreatment such as Alodine and then a more normal primer to suit the RAPCO top coats

I hope this helps

[blackdog]

Nothing is better than ZERO-RUST from FSC COATINGS. It comes in spray cans and is a rust inhibiting paint. CARC Substitute... it is excellent. I think it's like $8.00 a can. Gallon cans are $50.00+. Comes in tan, seafoam, brown, black, and green...

I can see about getting a couple cans from FSC. I don't know about shipping though.

Brian

[dilvoy]

The first coat of paint that was put on the aluminum body work of my Humvee is White. It is white as snow. The next layer of paint is Dark Green. above that is the Yellow/Green paint that is used as a first coat on military aircraft. On top of that is the SCAPP pattern. My geuess as to why the first coat is white is that since the CARC paint has arsenic in it, the white paint must have had old lace as an ingrediant.

[Retired War Horses]

I spoke to a guy the other day who has been restoring old cars for about 40 yrs, he says the stuff he uses for primer is 250.00 a gallon. He gurantees that you will not have any rust moving forward after his application.

Dilvoy, I beleive you are correct about the CARC Application. Frankly when I see HMMWV's on E-bay that say "I sand blasted the whole body down to bare aluminum" I cringe! The way the Factory applies that paint is darn near bullet proof.....I to have tried to apply aircraft paint stripper to this paint and it just site there.