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M60aA3

Post by tankanic » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:56 am

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Re: M60aA3

Post by Austringer » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:32 am

Def a .gov owned one.
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Re: M60aA3

Post by W. Winget » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:50 am

So here's the question, if "we" all know it's a TACOM vehicle, then why is it capable of being advertised on some place like Gun Broker which we all know would end up having govt. siezure happen after some poor schmuck bids, wins and forks over the 60K (which is a steal, of I had it)

Of course other than the fact I have no where to drive it (large field, or HET to move it ot one, primary reason my German Halftrack sits idle too...)
and you need a permit to move it...

Just wondering why it's A) allowed to be listed, B) doesn't mention the fact it's likely TACOM property, or C) it's a previously State owned property, which means it's allowed (in theory) to be sold off, i.e. not TACOMs property or concern. You'd think TACOM (or one TACOM guy) would be around this or gunbrokers forums if not only as a collector.

Oh well fun to watch how things spin along.
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Post by D Pizzoferrato » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:33 pm

A little google earth sleuthing shows it at the VFW in London KY (3027 W Laurel Rd, London, KY 40741) Has to be a TACOM loaner.
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Re: M60aA3

Post by JD136 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:21 pm

These display tanks at veterans organization's were given to them by the state National guard. The vehicles are demilled.
The barrels are plugged , breach welded shut, all hatches welded shut, track welded to the sprocket to prevent moving.
Engine removed. Barrel welded in elevated position. This is what was done to a tank that was given to the Millersville,Pa. VFW that I helped de-mill. Do not know if it is still owned by the govrement or owned by the VFW.
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Re: M60aA3

Post by tankanic » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:38 am

we have one (m60 a3) in a park by us that was drivin into place (10-13 years ago) and basically just had the hatch welded shut. Not sure about the barrel or breech condition. My little brother who was 10 yrs old or so at the time got to climb around in it minutes before it was welded shut.
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Re: M60aA3

Post by JD136 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:46 pm

The one in Millersville was driven onto the cement pad then all of the de-milling was done. One in Christiana, Pa was not de-milled after it was parked there. They even tried to start it one time when they had a ceremony. It could be de-milled by now since this all took place at least 20 years ago.
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Re: M60aA3

Post by Austringer » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:59 am

It's because the army donation program at TACOM has no money, I know of a sheridan that used to be at a local american legion hall, then the hall was shut down, and a month later, the tank ends up at a gun/pawn store property. Tacom is aware of it, but they have no money to do anything. It will eventually be addressed and the person holding the short stick will be out of some money (or a lot of it) when uncle sam comes to pick up the toy (at the current holder's expense).

Then more than likely a chain of lawsuits will be filed. The person who it as seized from suing the person who sold it and on down the line. Lots of fun!
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Re: M60aA3

Post by gerrykan » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:52 pm

As Austringer points out, it's a headache not worth having.....although most men would probably rather face the Federal Government, than the wife that comes home to find a tank in her backyard!
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Re: M60aA3

Post by Michael O. » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:08 pm

If purchased under legal pretenses, title transferred or generated to/for the new owner, state and local taxes paid and the vehicle licensed...isn't it then legally the new owner's?

The Government can assume possession of your abandoned property....can us US tax payers do the same?

What prevents the Government from taking possession of all of our former US military HMV's?
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Post by Bangle 99 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:02 am

The short answer is with TACOM, the government still actually owns the property. If you sell it, it’s theft, and the government can move against you. In the case of a humvee, the government itself is selling the property, thus, the buyer owns it.
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Re: M60aA3

Post by W. Winget » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:26 am

If it is a Marine Corps or National Guard owned property, TACOM may not have authority of ownership....US Army does not set standards and regulations for all the other Services and disposal of their property. Nor does US Army provide USMC with assets unless USMC purchases them with their federal budget (ever see the US Army field the LAV, no...they went with BFV's...then Strykers) So the M151A2 you may find on occasion may have been a US Navy or USMC asset that was released, WHILE the Army regs stated cut it up.

It's the excuse they use for not allowing re-importation of US vehicles given away under Lend-Lease or Foreign Military Sales, saying the Govt. only 'loaned' them to our allies, so if it comes back home it's their property....when in reality they disposed of it to another Nation and that Nation may even turn them against us in future wars (ala ISIS use of assets we gave Iraqis.)

Bottom line when I hear my local museum worried about TACOM I think of the TV Show NCIS and how they run around like they are authorized to trample everyones rights kicking in doors, etc....No authority outside military bases...need FBI for Federal intervention or local police cooperation to enforce (or seize) anyones property.

Can you picture an ill informed local commander driving a unit out to someones property and removing something they purchased....really? what if it was a home made copy of an M113 and they showed up all huffy? think how that would go down in the press and US Courts, the CDR would end up being reassigned as a minimum.

Yes in the past 20 years the US Govt (via TACOM and Center for Military History) have all undertaken to preserve monuments and prevent the possibility of criminal use of loaned assets by accounting for things and in a few cases recovery, but it all started under some fool named Bill Clinton, think of that root cause. Short of the guy in SanDiego that took a NG M60 asset for a joy ride, I'd like to hear of any recorded incident involving an artillery piece being fired in anger or Tank being run through something from a criminal standpoint.

My point here is that not everything big and green is under a psuedo ATF unit called TACOM, things are legitimately released from the US Govt. and obtaining the vehicles history, not assuming the first person contacted about it is legit in their intentions or answers is the 1st thing I would do.

You contact a local post, they might say "yeah that's our tank" then just get it to put in front of the PX of the 106th Mess Kit repair unit.
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Re: M60aA3

Post by twinflyer17 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:00 pm

JD136 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:21 pm
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Huh, I went to MU and never realized there was a tank sitting in town somewhere! Learn something new everyday :lol:
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