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- lucakiki
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Frank, Mark, I take it you are talking of some BOM, since the plain Jane parts manual and TM 9- 803 just refer to jack with handle, 41-J -66, with no part number just for said handle.
Luca
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- Mark Tombleson
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Well, I guess I remember incorrectly on the handle, Frank.
Radio jeep BOM says only the part number and "Jack Handle."
Nabholtz on page 60 has the handle listed... and it says "three section, folding". I don't know where I got two section from?
Yes, Luca, the dreaded BOM!
Radio jeep BOM says only the part number and "Jack Handle."
Nabholtz on page 60 has the handle listed... and it says "three section, folding". I don't know where I got two section from?
Yes, Luca, the dreaded BOM!
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Hi Mark
I have the 3 piece handle and also the 2 piece handle, but who is correct for the different jack???? and then again the 2 piece in two different lenghts
Hmmmmm could you write or call L.Nabholtz and ask him where he got the info on the 3 piece handle from Mark
I recived a few pictures from a collector in Germany, and he got his 1 1/2 ton jack with the 3 piece handle.
I have the 3 piece handle and also the 2 piece handle, but who is correct for the different jack???? and then again the 2 piece in two different lenghts
Hmmmmm could you write or call L.Nabholtz and ask him where he got the info on the 3 piece handle from Mark
I recived a few pictures from a collector in Germany, and he got his 1 1/2 ton jack with the 3 piece handle.
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Note the handle in this picture It was first known to be an early picture....then a late picture....is there anyone out there who the "history" behind this picture The Grease gun looks to be early.......
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- lucakiki
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Frank, that picture was discussed before, and there are a few discrepancies in it that would question its value as a prove of anything: very early (41) water jerrycan, but late M38 rims on the jeep,...
Luca
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- Bob N
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Those are reflections not slots! This is from an early WW2 training film about the jeep. I have all of the slide pictures. You can't judge by the low resolution of the photo presented.
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- Mark Tombleson
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I went back and looked over the Jack threads again... still come up with this group.
A-653 w/handle A-654 (three piece) This one is said to be for the MA
A-1240 w/ handle A-348 (the lug wrench) This one is used for the GPW and MB until the end of 1943
A-12268 w/ handle A-12269 (three piece) This one is for use with the MB from 1944 on. Don't know about the GPW.
Three piece and three section don't really mean the same thing as there is the connector piece.
A-653 w/handle A-654 (three piece) This one is said to be for the MA
A-1240 w/ handle A-348 (the lug wrench) This one is used for the GPW and MB until the end of 1943
A-12268 w/ handle A-12269 (three piece) This one is for use with the MB from 1944 on. Don't know about the GPW.
Three piece and three section don't really mean the same thing as there is the connector piece.
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The photo is from the Official Film Strip 17-17 produced jointly by the Commanding General Army Ground Forces and the Signal Corps 1942.
This is a closeup of the photo posted....
Hopefully, you can see that it isn't slotted at all. These are solid rims on an MB slat grill.
I still don't know that I would trust the photo for accuracy as it does appear to be heavily worked on by the Signal Corps.
You can figure out the date of the photo perhaps by consulting FM 21-7.
This is a closeup of the photo posted....
Hopefully, you can see that it isn't slotted at all. These are solid rims on an MB slat grill.
I still don't know that I would trust the photo for accuracy as it does appear to be heavily worked on by the Signal Corps.
You can figure out the date of the photo perhaps by consulting FM 21-7.
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- lucakiki
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Solid rims ? OK then, no discrepancy with the early water can,but just the opposite. Early rims, early can, and a jack with folding handle.
Luca
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- Bob N
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Not exactly sure what you are saying. It's all early stuff. The jack is for an MA or some other vehicle. I don't have a picture of the MA tools (official photo) to compare it with. Is this what you meant?lucakiki wrote:Solid rims ? OK then, no discrepancy with the early water can,but just the opposite. Early rims, early can, and a jack with folding handle.
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- Mark Tombleson
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I agree with BobN... this apears early, so it makes sense that this jack and handle are the one of the cast units maybe, saying it is the:
A-653 w/handle A-654 (three piece) This one is said to be for the MA
A-653 w/handle A-654 (three piece) This one is said to be for the MA
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Hi Bob.
Could you try to find the date for those slides...please and if you have the time I would love to get a better wiuv of the jack. Can you try to enlarge the picture you have......I only need to see the jack a little better please.....
Mark. I also thought of the 3 piece/3 parts handle, but that kind of failed when the "real" 3 piece handle came with the "same" type of jack one day 3 sections ore 3 piece
Frank..
Could you try to find the date for those slides...please and if you have the time I would love to get a better wiuv of the jack. Can you try to enlarge the picture you have......I only need to see the jack a little better please.....
Mark. I also thought of the 3 piece/3 parts handle, but that kind of failed when the "real" 3 piece handle came with the "same" type of jack one day 3 sections ore 3 piece
Frank..
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- lucakiki
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lucakiki wrote:... and there are a few discrepancies in it that would question its value as a prove of anything: very early (41) water jerrycan, but late M38 rims on the jeep,...
Those are reflections not slots!
Decoded, for those who might not have understood me:early water can + early solid rims= just the opposite of a discrepancy. Actually they both help to associate early and the pictured jack with folding handle. In other words I take back, in writing, my suggestion of a discrepancy.Solid rims ? OK then, no discrepancy with the early water can,but just the opposite. Early rims, early can, and a jack with folding handle.
Yes, I thought to have made it clear. My faulty english, as usual...Not exactly sure what you are saying. It's all early stuff. The jack is for an MA or some other vehicle. I don't have a picture of the MA tools (official photo) to compare it with. Is this what you meant?
Luca
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- Bob N
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I don't have FM 21-7 so I can't date the slides any further than 1942 which is printed on the second slide in the series.Frank wrote:Hi Bob.
Could you try to find the date for those slides...please and if you have the time I would love to get a better wiuv of the jack. Can you try to enlarge the picture you have......I only need to see the jack a little better please.....
Mark. I also thought of the 3 piece/3 parts handle, but that kind of failed when the "real" 3 piece handle came with the "same" type of jack one day 3 sections ore 3 piece
Frank..
Okay, Frank, just for you...nobody else look...
and just in case someone was interested.
What I find interesting about this picture are the curious items in it.
What is the item next to the grease gun? I can only guess that it is the handle for the spark plug wrench And below center, two screwdrivers? One looks like an Irwin still we all know but look at the end of the other. And then there is the quantity...only three open end wrenches...not five?
Where is the jack/handle referred to as a three piece/part unit? Is that in a BOM somewhere?
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- lucakiki
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Well , two of the five wrenches are missing, but the ones that are visible, an the 8" crescent, sure are shiny in this picture.. The picture has been heavily doctored, though,to a much greater extent than the SNL G-503 pictures.
This should be taken in due account.
From memory, so take it as such,John Barton posted about those slides, and also Pierino, who planned to print a "luxury set" of the series.
Anybody with a better memory than mine?
This should be taken in due account.
From memory, so take it as such,John Barton posted about those slides, and also Pierino, who planned to print a "luxury set" of the series.
Anybody with a better memory than mine?
Luca
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