Early Bird Gets the Worms

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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:38 am

d42jeep wrote: I have a 1/4" drive Craftsman =V= u-joint and am posting a postwar Thorsen listing of a 1/4" drive set with a u-joint.
Thanks for posting this stuff. Confirms my general hunch, aided also by mud's input.
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You have been killing it at the flea lately!
Thanks, Don! As you know, I love the fall and winter flea market seasons! And if the temp keeps dropping, I'll have to switch my reporting over to my 'Frozen Flea Market Finds'! :)

I could count the vendors at my flea market on this chilly 26* F morning on two hands, but I did pretty good again today!

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The DUNLAP socket set box (yours for postage if you need it!) was hiding some gems, which are NOT INCLUDED IN MY OFFER! :lol:

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Mix of 3/8-inch and 1/4-inch drive pieces, mainly Plomb or Plomb WF, some Snap-On, Hinsdale, Bonney and Duro-Chrome. All wartime or immediate post-war. That spinner, a New Britain-made SPARTA, is the most modern thing in the box. Most of it, regardless of brand, was painted red at some point. I’ve found Signal Corps sets like that from the early 50s, but I suspect this was a civilian set someone put together from a Plomb set, filled it in with other pieces, painted everything proprietary red, and stuck it in a DUNLAP box.

The waterpump pliers are J.P. Danielson. Can't make out the date yet.

The Diamalloy is wartime (no horseshoe logo) with a 9/16” 12-point box end hanging hole. Second one in as many days.

Sockets are wartime Crafty BE, post-war Crafty (U), THORSEN, Cornwell, and Duro-Chrome. The uni is also Duro (early or pre-war).

That little ratcheting DBE is probably the smallest I have ever seen – a DUNLAP 5/16 x 1/4.

I’ll post close-ups later.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by d42jeep » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:49 am

Good thing I now have several Dunlap toolboxes. It's hard to keep up with your finds! I'll definitely take ALL the "Donlap". I'll shoot you an email. If there is a 9/32" Plomb 1/4" drive socket, I'm looking for a couple of those too. Thanks.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:06 am

d42jeep wrote:
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Good thing I now have several Dunlap toolboxes. It's hard to keep up with your finds! I'll definitely take ALL the "Donlap". I'll shoot you an email. If there is a 9/32" Plomb 1/4" drive socket, I'm looking for a couple of those too. Thanks.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the Plomb pieces yet. If it's close to a set, I may want to keep it together. If not, I'll let you know. I need to inventory.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:16 pm

Gordon_M wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:29 am
Any British tools you don't already have for that M20?

Some of us on here might have them lying around, or run across them. That WESCO oil can looks very PLEWS-like.
It does look like a PLEWS trigger type! As for the kit, funny you should say that. Up until a few days ago, I needed almost all of them except the tyre spoons, the grease gun, and one of the little magneto wrenches. I was just passively grabbing stuff if and when it presents itself. Not actively looking. But I will make a thread with a list, because I have a bunch coming to me soon! A guy on another board has a misc lot of vintage Brit bike tools that had some of the BSA tools in it. He didn't know what they were until he saw my references, posted with my tyre spoons. Small world.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Gordon_M » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:26 pm

Keep us informed then.

The military registration on the M20 is the post-war system, but records should still be available that would give you the service back into the 1950s. That is if it is the real registration and not just copied or made up.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:21 pm

Gordon_M wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:26 pm
Keep us informed then.

The military registration on the M20 is the post-war system, but records should still be available that would give you the service back into the 1950s. That is if it is the real registration and not just copied or made up.
Oh, it's real. I have the key card. The serial numbers on the front and rear mudguards match, and match the BAOR registration on the key car, which also includes the original frame and engine VIN, also matching. And, the markings I found with painstaking care on the tank match its last duty assignment in the 2nd Armored Division. I hooked up with a few experts in England, vis-à-vis the BSA WD M20 website (www.wdbsa.nl), almost immediately after acquiring it. I've been offered more for the field stand than what I paid for the bike!! :lol: Eventually I'll start a thread on it in the motorcycles section.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:24 pm

The pieces in the DUNLAP box are all 3/8- and 9/32-inch drive, no 1/4-inch drive. Lots of wartime date codes and cadmium plating in the bunch. I m convinced that a prior owner filled out an incomplete Plomb WF set with a few other Plomb (non WF) pieces and pieces from a few other mfgrs (Snap-On, Hinsdale, Duro-Chrome), painted everything proprietary red, and threw them in a DUNLAP box for keeping. Note: The spinner (a New Britain-made SPARTA CM64) and the sliding tee (Bonney V17) are 1/4-inch drive but they weren’t in the box. I picked them up separate and threw them in for the ride home.

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Inventory:
3/8-inch drive
- Duro-Chrome 4420, 3/4”
- Plomb WF-32, 11/16” C
Snap-On F-200, 5/8” “G" (1945)
- Plomb 3218 9/16” 1B
- Plomb WF-29 1/2” 1C
- Plomb WF-28 7/16”
- Duro-Chrome 4412, 3/8”
- Plomb WF-26, 5/16”
- Plomb WF-17 extension

9/32-inch drive
- Plomb WF-5 extension
- Hinsdale hinge handle
- Plomb WF-15, 7/16” C
- Plomb WF-15, 7/16” C
- Hinsdale 11/32” Vanadium
- Hinsdale 5/16" SM10 >
- Plomb WF-12 5/16” C
- Plomb WF-11 1/4” C

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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:04 pm

Here are the other tools...

I forgot to put the Duro uni joint in the pic. It's unmistakably Duro, and marked CHROMIUM VANADIUM, sealing the deal. Check out the cad on the Corny 5/8" 2R10) and the Thorsen (3/4" 524). The 11/16" Craftsman (U) does not have the underline logo. Looks immediate post-war to me. The deep Craftsman BE 5/8" (2nd from right) is 3/8-inch drive. All else 1/2-inch drive.

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Looks like Z.3.1 (1941) on the waterpumps


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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by henry501 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:46 pm

Greg,

Nice 6" Pipemaster. However based upon its design features (if Erie followed the same design protocols as Rigid pipe wrenches) as discussed in this thread:

http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f= ... s#p1675808

Then I believe it is postwar and would not really be appropriate for a wartime GMTK.

Thank you,
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:22 am

Yeah, I just checked out Cliff's excellent one-page treatise on Erie Pipemaster. Still had the squared off end and fully knurled adjusting nut as late as a 1951 advert. My brand-matchingness gene obviously ran away with me! As a side-note, it's interesting how mfgrs followed each other around on various tools. We've seen industry trends take hold and spread in other tools as well. FWIW, WALCO went to the split knurled adjusting nut and rounded end in 1949.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Silly's MB » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:34 pm

Wingnutt wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:16 pm
Gordon_M wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:29 am
Any British tools you don't already have for that M20?

Some of us on here might have them lying around, or run across them. That WESCO oil can looks very PLEWS-like.
It does look like a PLEWS trigger type! As for the kit, funny you should say that. Up until a few days ago, I needed almost all of them except the tyre spoons, the grease gun, and one of the little magneto wrenches. I was just passively grabbing stuff if and when it presents itself. Not actively looking. But I will make a thread with a list, because I have a bunch coming to me soon! A guy on another board has a misc lot of vintage Brit bike tools that had some of the BSA tools in it. He didn't know what they were until he saw my references, posted with my tyre spoons. Small world.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:00 pm

Uh, I totally forgot, Rog. In fact, I have no recollection! Check your email, please.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by d42jeep » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:55 am

When I looked in my modern tools S-K 1/4" drive set, I was surprised to see this fairly modern P&C 1/4" drive u-joint sitting inside.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:11 pm

Thanks, Don. It's funny the little things we forget we have, or didn't realize we had.

What's not funny are the little things we lose!

Yes, I’m in the market for a Magnetic Floor Sweeper!

Story follows....

So, my last haul (reported on the page before this one) included this NOS Armstrong No. 2 adjustable stock and dies pipe threading set, 1/8” to 1”. The heavy duty riveted cardboard box may be dirty and a little banged up, as are the cardboard boxes with the split rectangular dies inside, but it’s all original, never used, and 100% complete.

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If you look up in the right hand corner of the box, you’ll see the shank of a little single open end wrench. If you look even closer you’ll see that it’s marked “No. 2” to match the set. And on the flip side it’s marked ARMSTRONG. It’s used to tighten and loosen the hold-down and adjusting bolts in the die stock, and help guide the dies, and it came with the set for that purpose.

Somehow between my truck and the garage and a little portable folding table I like to set up outside in the broad daylight to clean, de-rust, and oil my flea market finds, I lost it!

I spent a few days fuming and grumbling and more than a few minutes on my hands and knees combing the grass and the leaves and other debris for the danged wrench. Hence the need for the magnetic sweeper! I know it's out there somewhere!

My mood lightened considerably tonight when I finally got around to really inspecting the set in earnest down the basement.

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I thought I knew what I might have found, but I wasn’t sure until I spotted the tiny form number on the left hand corner of the label on the end of the box.

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Which reads: “Form M189-20M 5-45”

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I believe that’s May 1945.

And I believe this set is one half of "41-T-2023, THREADING SET, pipe, NPT, compete with rectangular adjustable dies, stock, complete with wrench and adjustable guide, and right hand taps, capacity 1/8 in. to 1 in." The only thing slightly out of step is the missing cardboard box for the 1” split dies, which were in the die stock. The only things missing for the complete threading set are the taps.

(EDIT: I see that I mistakenly had the 1/2" dies in the die stock, and the 1" dies inside the 1/2" die box for the photo.)

Here are some excerpts I made from the old 1945 G-27. These sets were issued to 3rd Echelon Set No. 1, 3rd Echelon Set No. 2, and 4th Echelon Set No. 2, and the Armored Forces sets.

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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:32 pm

Very small haul today.

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The Nicholson file cleaner is nice and legit, but missing the pick.

The ball-peen hammer is Blue-Point Kenosha, Wis. U.S.A. with the old school "4" (indicating 32 ozs) AND a "32 oz" marking on the cheek. Still haven't figured out a way to date these other than knowing that they are no later than 1958, which is when Blue-Point went to the "BP-#" marking on the cheek. My gut, based on the overall look, and the look of the brand font, says 40's. The handle is original. Wedges and eye are untouched. I'm going to strip the green paint and see if I can bring the grain back.

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The 6-inch combination slip-joint pliers are 1942+ J.P. Danielson with herringbone pattern grips.

The not GMTK/G503 items are the 4-inch slip joints (Billings & Spencer), the hex T-handle (also B&S), the 18-inch BLUE POINT (Chicago), dated 1929 ("29-" marking on the ferrule), and the brass whistle.
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