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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by mudbox » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:52 am

I'm green with envy over that Walden box. It looks really nice. :mrgreen:
I'm still waiting to find a nice ink stamped driver at a reasonable price as well.

One question about the Walden set. Am I right in counting 12 sockets? I thought there were only 11 in the set. Do you have a duplicate? Do 12 even fit in the socket partition?

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Post by d42jeep » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:54 pm

Jason,
That is good spotting. I never would have noticed that. When it comes to the Barcalo manifold/starter wrenches I believe that they only made the two that Henry referred to. Here are my examples. By the way John, that is a great looking Walden set, 11 sockets or 12!
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by hell-fire » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:05 pm

Jason wonders
I thought there were only 11 in the set. Do you have a duplicate?
Good point I will have to check to see if I have doubled up, but the 12 do fit in the Box partition.

Thank for the comments, it is always good to hear from you.
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Post by henry501 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:14 pm

John,

Two Irwins (one of them an ink stamped) for $20! Very nice indeed. Congratulations. Now I know I need to go back to trolling EBay again. :D

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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by Gordon_M » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:17 pm

mudbox wrote: Am I right in counting 12 sockets? I thought there were only 11 in the set. Do you have a duplicate? Do 12 even fit in the socket partition? - Jason
If you check the image you can see there are three eight-point sockets, when I think two would be standard. I'd guess he has 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8"

I'm sure I tried to get the same three sizes in my Plomb set, but they didn't make one size in eight-point till the Proto name change, I think the 3/8"
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Post by d42jeep » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:30 am

Gordon,
I believe that John's set should have three 8 point sockets. Here is a list of the sockets in the Walden set in my GMTK.

41-W-2970 Socket ¼” Drive 3/16” 6 point – Walden 3106
41-W-2971 Socket ¼” Drive 7/32” 6 point – Walden 3107
41-W-2972 Socket ¼” Drive 1/4” 6 point – Walden 3108
41-W-2972-100 Socket ¼” Drive 9/32” 6 point – Walden 3109
41-W-2972-120 Socket ¼” Drive 5/16” 6 point – Walden 3110
41-W-2972-140 Socket ¼” Drive 11/32” 6 point – Walden 3111
41-W-2976 Socket ¼” Drive 3/8” 6 point – Walden 3112
41-W-2977 Socket ¼” Drive 7/16” 12 point – Walden 3114
41-W-2972-600 Socket ¼” Drive 1/4" 8 point – Walden 3159
41-W-2972-620 Socket ¼” Drive 5/16” 8 point – Walden 3160
41-W-2972-640 Socket ¼” Drive 3/8” 8 point – Walden 3161

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Post by Gordon_M » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:35 am

OK, still an extra one then.

I realised I couldn't complete all three eight-point sizes with Plomb stuff for my set, since one size they just didn't make.

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Post by d42jeep » Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:15 am

In looking carefully at the picture of the set, it could be that there are two 5/16" sockets, both a six point and a twelve point. Of course, it's just a guess on my part. I'm sure that John will let us know.
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by hell-fire » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:20 pm

I checked it today and I have 2 9/32 sockets which I would never have noticed, still will leave it on the box as it has been there a long time.
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:30 am

Hi John,

I remember this wonderful set from 2014 when I helped you ID it, through the former owner's name, as a legitimate WWII survivor. What I don't recall is a detailed inventory of the contents. It looks like you've replaced the plain steel finish ratchet and spinner bar with black oxide versions to match the finish on the spinner and breaker. It also looks like you’ve had twelve sockets since at least January 2015. Were all those original to the FSN case? If so, I’d very interested in seeing a list of all the sockets by model number, size, and number of points, excluding any you’ve added.

Reason I ask is, the midget set has been one of the squirreliest to nail down. Its contents changed several times throughout the war, gaining handles and sockets, then losing handles and gaining even more sockets. For example, the mid war set had 6 handles but only 10 sockets, not 11. And the late war set with the 11 sockets only had 2 handles – the spinner and the breaker! Complicating the issue is the fact that it wasn't specified by piece part until early 1945. On top of all that, we don't really have any good examples of what might be considered totally unmolested sets. Yours may not be either, but it may be the closest we've had. Most sets that are acquired as a set (versus collected onesy twosy) actually defy any one single version of the 41-W-2615, having either too many handles, not enough handles, too many sockets, or not the correctly specified sockets. Most “sets” seem to be a mishmash of early, mid and late specs.

As you may know, I have attempted to wrangle it all together in a few charts, with help from Cliff and others, deciphering the RAPD figures accompanying the earlier unspecified sets, and deriving what those specs might be from later sets and commercial models. But it really needs a good scrub. Hoping your socket inventory can help.

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This chart is attempting to back into the early to mid war socket specs (on left) from the late war socket specs (in the middle) and commercial set model numbers (on right). Thread for any comments, corrections, etc is here: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=231694&hilit=%241+ ... t&start=30

And if you go to this link and scroll down, you’ll find two 1/4-drive charts showing the specs (some derived, as discussed above) for all the pieces over time:
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by hell-fire » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:43 pm

Greg,

When I purchased the box it wasn't complete with the sockets a couple were missing and it's original ratchet was replaced with something else, as I had partial Walden sets I was able to at least add the sockets for the original photo and a recent purchase replaced the wrong finished items with oxidized ones.

I hope this helps a little and I really do thank your for your research into this forum and as far as I am concerned your posts for me are the go to ones for knowledge.
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:17 am

Very kind of you to say, John. I appreciate that. With respect to the set, do you remember which sockets were original and which you added? And if you have a couple minutes, would you please post a list of the model numbers? That will tell us the opening sizes and whether they are 6, 8, or 12 point. Thanks.
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:34 am

John,
Do you remember which sockets were original to the 41W-2615 marked case and which you added? Please provide the model number marking, the opening size, and number of points (6, 8 or 12) only for the sockets that originally came with the case. Thanks.
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by hell-fire » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:41 am

Greg,

I clean forgot about your request, I cannot with any accuracy remember which sockets came with the set but I will post up the numbers of all of them and I hope this will help.
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Re: My GMTK Tools

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:02 am

hell-fire wrote:I clean forgot about your request, I cannot with any accuracy remember which sockets came with the set but I will post up the numbers of all of them and I hope this will help.
No worries, and thanks - I do think it will help.
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