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Re: GMTK MVMTS----TOOLKIT---UPDATE

Post by Silly's MB » Sun May 07, 2017 1:43 am

Here is the appropriate section of L216 on 1/2" drive tools.
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Don't forget the entire L216 wrench and plier sections are here viewtopic.php?f=48&t=270564 with some updates I will add.
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Post by Wingnutt » Sun May 07, 2017 3:36 am

Thanks, Roger. I thought by the way you mentioned the specs and the way you posted it here that you had found something new. This is the same information we had in the L-216 thread last year. Sorry for making you post it again.
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Post by Silly's MB » Sun May 07, 2017 3:47 am

I found it in the new information which then made me look at the older information :D
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Re: GMTK MVMTS----TOOLKIT---UPDATE

Post by Wingnutt » Sun May 07, 2017 4:11 am

No prob! The new source is so much better in that we have the timeline now. Thanks again for doing the hard work to find them!

Phil, Jason,

I could be wrong, but I'm getting the impression from your replies that you may be reading something into the L-216 that isn't there. It isn't telling us anything about production for military tool-sets, GTMK or others, except maybe by implication. These aren't specs and don't have any impact on GMTK SNL's, early or late. L-216 instructs industry what they are permitted to make and what they are not permitted to make. You can see its results in the caveats and redlines in wartime catalogs.

Schedule II (Wrenches), including Socket Wrenches (see Section EDIT: IV), was released on May 29, 1943. Before that date, there were no limitations. After that date, the only drag link bits that may be manufactured are in the GMTK sizes. It isn't saying that DLB's weren't already being made and produced for GMTK's in the GMTK spec sizes before then. And it isn't saying that DLB's weren't already being made for other tool-sets in other sizes before then. It is saying that after May 29, 1943, those are the only sizes mfgrs could make and sell.

This doesn't help resolve the GMTK specs. The DLB's were specified by set (41-B-645) in the October 1942 SNL N-19 and did not include any sizes for the three bits in the set until the April 1945 ORD 6 SNL G-27. But 41-B-645 is a FSN which means it was in the Federal Standard Stock Catalog. One can read the situation as the bits in that set weren't specified until April 1945. Or one can read the situation as the bits were always specified, like everything else that has an FSN, but the sizes were not included in the SNL N-19 and early ORD 6's. Either way, L-216 doesn't shed any light on that - except for confirming the sizes were specified at least as early as May 29, 1943.
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Post by pjones » Sun May 07, 2017 5:56 am

Greg,
One of the challenges for guys putting together a MVMTS/GMTK and in my case a '42 based set is what three sizes of DLBs to include. A safe bet would be to go with the sizes specified in the relatively late war April '45 ORD 6 SNL G- 27. I do believe there were specs for these DLBs from the begining even though they weren't included for whatever reason in the SNL N-19 or the early ORD 6's but at this time we don't know what they were. As more and more of us become interested in the GMTK I have no doubt one day these specs will surface. But for now we have to make a "best guess" on what sizes these DLB's were. To do this we can use the sizes specified in a late war ORD 6, or by observing the sizes found in the repacks or we can extrapolate from industry standards. Roger's limitation order post didn't help me confirm or exclude the specs for my set but it did let me know that after May 29, 1943 manufacturers could only produce certain sizes. But doesn't it leave open the possibility that my choice of NB DLB sizes is plausible at least until that portion of the Federal Standard Stock Catalog surfaces?

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Re: GMTK MVMTS----TOOLKIT---UPDATE

Post by Wingnutt » Sun May 07, 2017 6:25 am

A very good recap of the situation, Phil, and I would say it's possible. I, personally, wouldn't go as far as plausible, only because I find it highly unlikely that the size spec for two (2) of the three (3) bits (41-B-648 and -649) in the 41-B-465 set remained the same, and the third (41-B-647) changed. And especially not in the span of 6 months (November 1942 to April 1943). But that's just me. Hopefully we'll find a 1942 document one day with the 41-B-645 set specified in as much detail as it was specified in the April 1945 ORD 6.
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