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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:36 pm

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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by Fred Coldwell » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:50 pm

Tom:

Well Flaber my Gast! Thanks for posting those photos Tom. To my eye, and IMO, they put your SJ 2050 smack dab in the middle between the SJ 2050 without the Federal Stock Number "41-J-68-75" cast into the tall tapered body and the later SJ 2050A with "41-J-68-75" cast in relief along the neck of its body short tapered body. It appears on your jack that Auto Specialties simply added more information about the SJ 2050 along its body by inserting more typeface plates into the mold, which cast that additional information in depression into the jack body. The presence of FSN "41-J-68-75" on your jack's body places it, IMO, sometime after Ordnance took over responsibility for motor vehicle procurement from the QMC in August 1942.

So I'd place your "mid term production" jack somewhere towards the beginning (or in the first half) of the August 1942-to-March 1945 time period, before the 3 ton hydraulic jack issued with WC 3/4 ton 4x4 trucks replaced the SJ 2050 screw jack. And I'd now place the SJ 2050A jack towards the end (or in the second half) of the August 1942-March 1945 time period. The dividing line between them is as fuzzy as can be. And now having seen it, I agree that your description of "mid term production" applies aptly to the SJ 2050 you have just showed us. Nice find! And thank you for contributing to this thread. :)
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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by daveus6 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:51 pm

Fred Coldwell wrote:
Tom wrote:
Although I have no direct knowledge of WC 1/2 ton 4x4 truck jacks, I think the similar appearing AUSCO SJ 2000 screw jack was used only on the VC and on the WC 1/2 ton 4x4 trucks but never on the 3/4 ton trucks. The Chrysler part number for the screw jack used on the VC and WC 1/2 ton 4x4 trucks was CC-599232 and its handle was CC-599234, so if the SJ 2000 is the correct 1/2 ton truck jack, those are its Dodge truck part numbers. I don't have any Dodge 1/2 ton 4x4 truck parts lists or maintenance manuals, so can't confirm my suspicions. Could a VC or WC 1/2 ton truck owner either confirm, deny or correct my suspicions that the AUSCO SJ 2000 screw jack is also CC-599232? Thank you in advance.
Hi Fred,

I own a T215 Dodge and have a repro copy of TM10-1442 parts list and an original of ORD7 SNL G505. I'll check them about the jack details, but I can't remember anything much about the jack other than a very basic description and a part number. There were certainly no images of a jack - sadly.

Do you think the SJ2050 went as far back as the late 1/2 ton Dodges in early 1942? What information is there supporting the SJ2000 as the correct jack for the 1/2 ton Dodge? At least I know what to look out for.

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Post by Gordon_M » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:56 am

Morning all

I think I have all three VC Parts Lists, WC half and 3/4, plus Master Parts, but they are at my other house so might take a while. The VC Parts Lists aren't much help, and the Master Parts cuts out in 1943 ( I think ) so don't remember seeing the later hydraulic unit in there at all.

Anyone else have all three VC Parts Lists and all three VC Manuals ? There are some differences between the versions and some nice extra details that do not appear in the Master Parts.
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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by Fred Coldwell » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:31 am

daveus6 wrote: Hi Fred, . . . Do you think the SJ2050 went as far back as the late 1/2 ton Dodges in early 1942? What information is there supporting the SJ2000 as the correct jack for the 1/2 ton Dodge? At least I know what to look out for. David
Hi David:

No I don't, because the CC-599232 part number listed in the 1943 Dodge Master Parts List (SNL G-657) for the jack used on the WC 1/2 ton 4x4 truck is not the same as the CC-914607 part number found there for the AUSCO SJ 2050 jack that was used on the WC 3/4 ton 4x4. If they were the same AUSCO jack they would have shared the same CC part number, but they don't. The only information I have seen supporting the SJ 2000 as the correct jack for the WC 1/2 ton 4x4 is a recollection of someone saying "That's the correct WC 1/2 ton jack" when a picture of the SJ 2000 jack was posted somewhere. So it was simply someone's statement purportedly identifying the SJ 2000 as the "correct" jack for the WC 1/2 ton 4x4 truck, nothing more. That's why I'm hoping the early VC and WC parts lists have some additional information about either the jack or its handle, such as a manufacturer's part number or better yet an illustration.

Nevertheless, the October 1942 Dodge Truck Master Parts List TM-10-1199 (for the period January 1, 1940 to January 1, 1942) at pages 426-427 lists jack CC-599232 and handle CC-599234 for all VC T202 trucks and for all WC T207, T211 and T215 trucks. The Numerical Index and Price List in that volume on page 485 shows 599232 is Auto Specialties jack model no. 425 that cost $5.15 each, and 599234 is Auto Specialties handle model no. H-138 that costs 85 cents each. Those sales model numbers likely do not appear on the parts themselves but mostly in catalogs and maybe on the original box if packaged individually. I would not expect to find those AUSCO model numbers on the jack and jack handles themselves.
Gordon_M wrote:Morning all: I think I have all three VC Parts Lists, WC half and 3/4, plus Master Parts, but they are at my other house so might take a while. The VC Parts Lists aren't much help, and the Master Parts cuts out in 1943 ( I think ) so don't remember seeing the later hydraulic unit in there at all. Anyone else have all three VC Parts Lists and all three VC Manuals ? There are some differences between the versions and some nice extra details that do not appear in the Master Parts.
Hi Gordon:

There is a possibility the VC jack part numbers listed in the three individual VC Parts Lists might differ from the one VC jack number, CC-599232, listed in the 1942 TM-10-1199 and in the 1943 SNL G-657 Dodge Truck Master Parts Lists for all VC and WC 1/2 ton 4x4 trucks. The reason is that later parts lists tended to show only the current replacement parts then available and not necessarily the earlier parts that were no longer available. To trace a part's history correctly, one should consult all the individual earlier parts lists, which I don't have. Both Dodge Master Parts Lists (TM-10-1199 and SNL G-657) are too early for the 3 ton hydraulic jack, and it does not appear in either even though it was used on the WC 1-1/2 ton 6x6 since inception. No WC 1-1/2 ton 6x6 parts appear in the 1943 Master Parts List SNL G-657.

Let us know what part numbers appear for the VC jacks when your find your VC manuals. There is no hurry on this and it will make a nice winter term group project. :)
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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by Gordon_M » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:54 am

Will look Fred, although the VC series manuals and Parts Lists were VERY basic, no detail at all - certainly not enough for thorough research. Will look next time I'm home.
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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by daveus6 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:18 pm

Hello All,

I recently bought this Auto Specialities jack completely on speculation. I thought it might stir some debate on the identity of the mythical 1/2 ton Dodge Auto Specialities 425 jack. This one is an Auto Specialities SJ2003 2 ton jack.

I thought it might be a worthy candidate for a couple of reasons.
1. It has the same dimensions and look is the SJ2050 which has been proven beyond doubt as the correct jack for the earlier 3/4 ton Dodge. The only difference with this one is the plain top on the screw out section. That in itself may have been enough to give it a different Dodge part number?
2. The data is unusual in that it is stamped into the base rather than cast as in all the other AUSCO jacks I've seen pictures of. Does this perhaps suggest a simplified military spec construction?
3. The original colour is the same green that is on the original looking SJ2000 jack claiming to be a 1/2 ton Dodge elsewhere on G503. Not great logic I know, but it may be relevant.

I am not claiming this is the correct jack for the 1/2 ton Dodge, but I would hope it would generate some comments and a bit hopefully some more light on the subject.
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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by Fred Coldwell » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:11 am

Hi daveus6:

Thank you for posting all those wonderful photos of your newly acquired ASM SJ2003 2 ton screw jack. It's very nice! My only comment is some speculation about its, and other ASM jacks, model numbers.

Could the different last numbers in the SJ200X (and maybe the SJ205X ???) model designations indicate, perhaps, different types of cups or caps that were installed on the top of a family of otherwise identical jacks? For example, could a "0" last number (in place of the X) indicate a long non-adjustable cast bar with two small raised "cat ears" on each end as seen on the SJ2050 jacks pictured near the beginning of this thread? . . . while the last number "3" on your jack might indicate the jack has a round pad with a heavy hash mark pattern that is mounted on an adjustable upper stem? The fact the top of your SJ2003 is different from the similar looking presumably SJ2000 ASM jacks seen in some photos of WC 1/2 ton 4x4 trucks got me thinking along this speculative line. A late 1930s ASM catalog might clear up the various model numbers. But, in the meantime, its fun to speculate. :)
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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by daveus6 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:56 pm

This thread gets revived every now and then and I hope it will become the reference thread for all reasearch regarding the Dodge WC jacks.

A friend recently sent me the picture attached below that had come from the internet (I am not sure who to credit with the original). It doesn't come across very well on the image hosting site. I think it has been kicking around before but I thought it is useful in that it shows a 1/2t WC with it's tool kit in fron of the left front wheel. The jack issued as part of that kit CC-599232.

It has a few features that may be able to identify it. The most obvious is that it has no visible extension piece with horns on top like the SJ2050 and doesn't appear to have even the lump for the hinged extension as per the SJ2000. It looks pretty flat across the top when screwed right down in this photo.

The other feature is that the tapered section appears to be about half the height of the jack body. Which makes it a bit taller than the SJ2000 and a bit shorter than the SJ2050. Though I am leaning to the SJ2000 side as the taper seems to cut off quite distictly like that model.

The picture is not clear enough to show the handle above the drive socket.

I was hoping Fred Coldwell might comment on this as the resident WC jack expert.
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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by Quasimodo » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:24 am

Pic of the 1/2-ton jack here - has the four dimple top:

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Hint: click on individual pic and then on download arrow at bottom right side - it will present size options pick the biggest to save so you get as much detail as possible. The driver's handbook in the top left of the half ton layout is just the 1942 Tm10-460 Driver's Manual - I thought it might have been a Chrysler publication.

Have some material on 1/2-ton tool kits from years ago that I doubt has been put on internet - it will take ages to find but will look for it next week

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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by daveus6 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:08 pm

That would be great to see. ANY tool information on the 1/2 ton WC is greatly valued.

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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by TrunkTools » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:12 am

Pretty sure I've nailed the "Visual ID" match with this jack I have in my possession.... per the Aberdeen photo of the Dodge WC 1/2 Ton and 3/4 Ton 4x4...... Pictured jack to far right is the Auto Spec SJ2010. The jack is 4000 pounds and built just in like manner to the other WC Auto Spec jacks.

To quote Daveus6 two topics above: "The jack issued as part of that kit CC-599232."

Could this be the mystery Auto Specialty 433C ? I've been looking for a 30's or 40's Ausco Auto Specialities catalog for 5 years with no success.

I read that there are some reprints available of past tool articles others have compiled... are they of any help... can someone send me some of this info if you have it ?

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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by daveus6 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:45 pm

I reckon you have hit the 1/2 ton Dodge Jack-pot. It certainly ticks all the boxes from a visual perspective. Do you any other pics that show some different views and details?

The challenge now is to find another!

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Re: WTK what is/are correct Dodge jacks?

Post by TrunkTools » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:11 pm

Dave I'll take a photo matching same angle as the Aberdeen pic and post tomorrow. Will wire brush jack better and look for markings.

The 2nd best resource, next to actual documentation, is asking half ton Dodge owners how often they've seen this jack.

I've watched eBay for years recording oddball and unknown vintage Jack's for reference. The SJ2010 I've never seen or heard anyone talking about. I've never seen one up for sale. Is it rare ? Was it on the vehicle early on and then, they added a handle as an upgrade ? They all lift 4000 pounds.

The 2050 and 2050a show up semi frequently. A 2050a recently was bid up to $275 by 3 bidders on ePay.

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