Rebuilding the jeep engine PART THREE

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Rebuilding the jeep engine PART THREE

Post by john barton » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:02 pm

Part Three

The main and connecting rod bearings used in the jeep engine are two semi circular halves called inserts. When installing these in the block and connecting rods, some care must be observed. If there is good clean oil, and the engine is not abused, they can last a long time. As long as there is an oil film, the rate of wear is slow. Grit or dust getting into the oil, either through the carb, or from installation, can ruin a bearing. In my pictures, you can see that I use a lot of assembly oil. But, by having everything ready…I get it closed up quickly. I wipe up excess- no oil should get on threads or bolts…to get proper torque, they need to be clean and dry. Wipe down all bearing surfaces, there should be nothing behind an insert.
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This is how the crankshaft comes from the machinist. Leave it in the bag until ready to install. The journals are precisely ground and polished. Scratches, etc are no good, and they will rust in a minute. The tag indicates that this crank was cut .040 undersize on mains and rod journals. From old inserts, you can see what old size was. This crank was .030/.030. So it was cut the minimum, increments are usually .010.
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As with the valve train parts, I lay out everything. I assemble pistons first.
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The pistons must be assembled with T-slot and squirt hole in correct relationship. They must also be installed in cylinders with offset in correct relationship to main bearings. The connecting rods may be numbered, check during disassembly. The numbers, letters, dots, etc. can be on either side. You can’t always use them as a reference. Cylinders are numbered 1-4- front to rear. Often one rod has been replaced. So, you must use correct assembly and offset to install. As shown in part one, pistons often have an arrow on top pointing to front. Use the arrow, slot, squirt hole, and offset to check that pistons are assembled and assigned correctly.
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Scan from CJ manual that shows correct piston assembly.
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These new pistons came with wrist pins. Place connecting rod in vise leaning away with lock bolt on top side. Slide wrist pin into piston, lining up slot with bolt. Place piston on connecting rod and finish pushing wrist pin through. The torque setting for the lock bolt is 35 lbs. I don’t have a torque wrench that will fit up there. I snug it tight. You can use a crow’s foot on a torque wrench and do the math etc. I also lube each pin in the piston.
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I leave piston in vise to install rings (straighten it up). Rings come in different styles, but are generally same shape. There is usually an instruction sheet, or the packages are labeled to show which ring goes in which groove. The widest is the oil ring, it can be one piece or three pieces, and it goes on first in bottom groove. Two different compression rings go on next, see picture and explanation from scan. Most rings have a dot or TOP, but you can figure it out from shape. The ring expander tool is cheap. Rings are brittle and will snap if twisted or opened too much, Open only enough to fit over piston. No ring goes in top groove. If using old pistons, clean all grooves. Use an old ring, break it, or buy a groove cleaning tool. Most manuals show measuring the ring gap, and the play in the groove. I check a few of the rings by installing a piston head half way down a cylinder, inserting a ring on top and seeing that they are close to specs. I’m using new pistons, new rings, and a machine shop I trust. I do not measure every single ring.
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The gaps in the rings must be staggered around the piston- 120 degrees from each other- do not line them up as in picture.
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Picture of new rod insert in a rod cap. There is a notch that must be lined up. Inserts come with a spread, so it will stay in place. To set it in place, gently tap it on a flat surface. As mentioned above, it must be clean behind insert. Most modern inserts have two holes in both halves, one of them lines up with squirt hole in connecting rod top, not necessary in cap. The old insert show the worn bearing material flaking away and scorched.
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Install upper shell (interchangeable) in connecting rod. Notch and squirt hole have to line up. Connecting rods should have been cleaned, but check that squirt hole is clear. Cover the bolt heads with cut off piece of 3/8’s rubber hose. The fit down the cylinder is tight, big fat pieces of hose will not work; these are part of an old air line.
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I lay out the crank with inserts. I’m pretty liberal with the assembly lube. Buy the time I close up the crank case, every galley in block and crank will have been squirted a couple of times. Wipe up excess when installing caps and bolts etc. Clean threads for torque!
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Put the upper shells in the block, some brands are labeled with a U or L. The front bearing has a flange- to control thrust. The rear has two grooves. So you can figure out which goes where by lining up oil galley holes and dowel pins. In earlier pictures, the dowel pins where in place. They usually don’t fall out. Clean around them; make sure bearing surface is clean and dry.
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Here is a picture of rear main cap with dowel pin out. The front cap does not have a dowel pin, the flange prevents the bearing from spinning, and there should be five dowel pins.
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Picture of old insert. Again, you can see the flaking metal.
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Spread some assembly lube evenly on the inserts in the block and the caps. Put the rear main seal in place (pictures below), lay the crankshaft gently in the block. Put the flywheel bolts in crank rear flange. One you put the rear cap on…you won’t be able to get them in! Just before I put the caps in place, I squirt more lube down the crankshaft oil galleys. The assembly lube, with STP will stick and stay until engine start-up.
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This is how I turn crankshaft. Hand tighten the main caps, turn crank one complete revolution. From now on, every time you tighten a main cap bolt, turn the crankshaft one complete revolution. I start with middle cap, torque to 50 lbs- turn! Either one of the other caps-turn! Last cap-turn! The first time you do not turn for each tightening, if there is a problem-it will bind, and then you need to start backtracking to find the problem. Now torque to 65 lbs, again, turning between every bolt. You can put the front crank nut on and use a ratchet and socket to turn crankshaft. Either way is fine. When all the caps are torqued, and all have a lot of assembly lube, you should be able to spin the crankshaft with one or two fingers on a regular ½ inch drive ratchet on the front nut. Note the rubber dowels that fit in the drilled hole between cap and block. Just before putting pan on, I coat these in indian head shellac and insert, the pan compresses then to seal. I also use a little on rear cap mating surfaces.
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Picture of lube on journals, spread it out. Picture of diagonal oil galleys in rod journals. I always squirt more oil down because of turning, plus as I said a few times now…I want all the parts covered with assembly lube when I start it for the first time.
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Picture of the three types of rear main seals. The rear main cap has a large groove that the oil slinger on the back of crankshaft fits into. There is a drain hole there for oil to flow back to sump, make sure it is clear. The smaller groove toward the back is for the seal.
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Picture of the asbestos rope type seal. Still works, I have used them, they need a little care and attention when installing.
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Picture of the rubber seal that was used for most of the service life of jeeps.
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Picture of the modern, metal supported, wider rubber/neoprene seal that comes in most new gasket sets. I have seen or used them all. They work equally well, the newest one is more forgiving of a rough or worn surface on the crankshaft.
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Main caps installed and torqued down with first piston coming in. For crankshafts, many manuals show checking clearances with plasti-guage, etc. I use it, but more to check working engines to see why or where oil pressure is going? Again, This is new bearings, new crank, and a machinist that I trust. The front gear sprocket stayed on this when it was ground, so I did check the endplay per the books. It was ok. The rubber on the bolts keeps them from scratching journals, but you still need to guide them by hand.
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The ring compressor is a ratcheting sleeve that pushes rings into grooves so that assembled piston can be inserted. Use a wooden hammer handle to knock them down.
Wipe cylinder walls clean, use assembly lube on rings and compressor before tightening it down. I still have the block on a wooden bench, but you might find the engine stand easier. I put all pistons in from top just so rings are in. Then with block on side, I can reach and pull rods into place or control them while I knock from top. Do 1 and 4 together, 2 and 3…so the journals are up or down together. Just before putting connecting rod on journal, more lube. Squirt in galleys and rod cap, then snug it in place. The torque for connect rod nuts is 50 -55 lbs. I do it in 35, then 50 lbs steps. Again, rotate crankshaft a complete revolution between each step, and between each cap. As you connect more pistons, and with the added resistance from the rings, the crankshaft should still spin.
You should not need to push hard. If, on one of your tightening sequences, it does bind,
you have problems. I once got a set of rod bearing with one odd size out of the eight!. I wasn’t turning between every nut or bolt….darn! There are other things that can happen.
A bent crankshaft is usually picked up by the machinist. But, bore mis-alignment on the main bearings has happened. Old engines take a set, fatigue, over heating!!
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Two scans from manuals, the first one is from 1803A, and is wrong! Every other picture and description is fat side away from nearest main bearing. It took me a while to reconcile this the first time I rebuilt an engine. I didn’t have all the other books, and this didn’t make sense with T-slot, squirt hole, etc. Also you will find some assembled wrong, the engine runs, just has more piston side play wear I guess?
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Rods 2 and 3 with correct offset. Fat side away from nearest main bearing.
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These connecting rod bolt nuts are the split locking kind. If you have a plain hex nut, you should use the PAL nuts.
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I put this picture of using the torque wrench in to show that the engine must be secure whether on a bench or on a stand…it will tip over.
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Clean the float well, install gasket and tighten it down, and check that it doesn’t hit crank in any position.
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Put the pan on.

I appreciate the nice comments on earlier posts, but I can’t be the only G503’r that rebuilds engines? Others must have tricks or short cuts or better ways? I put this out to learn as well as show new people. Is this the way you do it? I will post the costs later, but what do others do- send it out? I’m sure others besides myself would like to know. It is a forum.

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Post by maeserik » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:42 pm

fantastic job !
I though i know much, but these details are very important !

Just go on with the articles !

After the info about rebuilding the transmission maybe someone who can
make such an article about rebuilding the axles

When a engine rebuilding is needed, i am not afraid to do it a lot by myself !
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Main bearing cap play

Post by Bill M » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:28 am

One point which should be mentioned relates to the main bearing caps. I have personally experienced main bearing cap play in three blocks, they should be a tight fit in the block register. The worst one I had you could see by eye the amount of "wiggle" it had when in place, about .006" The cap had stretched over its many years of use resulting in a step in the main bearing bore. To correct this the caps will have to be resized with weld and the block will need to be line bored. Another point to look for is mismatched bearing caps, some times this is obvious with Willys caps in a GPW block or vice versa and may result in a misaligned main bearing bore.
Thank you John for sharing your time and efforts and setting up a motor rebuilding tutorial that we can all learn from and get more of these trusty L heads fired up!
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Pic 22...

Post by Paddy » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:07 am

...is that oil seal the right way round?

ps... I love reading these posts of yours John, they're like engineering porn!

(and I don't have my jeep any more... :cry: )

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Post by Oilleaker1 » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:09 pm

Very good stuff here! I would like to add that when you "clean the oil pickup float well", take off the metal cover over the screen!!! You would be surprised like I was how much stuff is still in there!!! Waiting for # 4 now. :D John
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Post by run forrest run » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:44 pm

John, what a great resource you have so selflessly offered us. Your many years of experience, expertise and focus on detail is astounding. Not to mention your clear and concise photographs and narrative.

The internet being what it is, I believe your painstaking efforts will be passed on and shared for many years, more than can be imagined.
Best wishes, thank you.

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Post by F Bill » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:05 pm

John... Go back and put that part about inserting the flywheel bolts in the crankshaft in LARGE BRIGHT RED PRINT for those of us doofuses who tend to forget these minor details...lol!

Excellent work. Wish the rest of the jeep was up to the quality standards of the engine by now, but alas, I am stuck in hot, dry Texas with no jeeps in sight!

I'd really like to see your posts in the next jeep book..Imagine a book written by all the G-503 guys, professionally printed with excellent color photographs.. Now THAT would sell like hotcakes, and be a very useful tool for all of us.

Lets see.. Chapter one:how to buy the jeep by REN and friends..
Chapter two.. Dissasembly techniques..(I guess I could do that, seems like it is all i ever get to do..lol!)
Chapters three and four , your posts on engines and gearboxes.
Chapter 5.. Frame rebuilding.. WIth authors Nick W, Darryl, Ren, and others.
Chapter 6 and beyond..... Axles..Steering gears, top refurbishment, canvas, tires, dealing wiht the combat rim, transportation to events, displaying the jeep, etc.
etc, etc, etc.

The best part about a book version....it wouldn't be subject to the loss of a website,MVPA politics, or the other complications of life, like what happened recently with Dr Vern. Think about it...heck if I get any more bored down here in Texas, I'll start on it.

Hope all is well and dry up there in NY!

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Post by gpwrick » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:43 pm

So,all said and done the oil squirt hole does not point at cam? It just squirts back on the the right side of the block? I have a 42 gpw block up graded to gear drive when I opened it up and two rods in backward. You are right original manual will drive you crazy in this phase of rod piston assembly in engine. Thanks, Rick.

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Engine Rebuilding

Post by David H. Morganthall » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:21 pm

Thanks Guys,

I am getting ready for my FIRST project. In the past, I have rebuilt various engines by taking them apart piece byy piece, getting the torque specs from somewhere and then reassmbling the EXACT WAY I TORE IT APART. Your guys just saved my matched GPW block from possible disaster, since I would have repeated my old routine without having joined the G!

BTW when and if I find that there are cracks, which one of you is the expert on repairs?

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Piston rod squirt hole

Post by hotlips » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:16 am

Hi,
Could you please tell me why the piston rod squirt hole should be facing away from the camshaft ? The original manual is not very clear about this.
It is obviously a great need of a new manual for rebuilding jeep engines I sure hope somebody will tak that challenge.
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Post by Cuz » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:10 am

If you can get a copy of the industrial engine manual and the civilian jeep manuals. Lot's more info there. The oil squirt holes are not there to help lube the cam. They are there to spray oil on the thrust side of the cylinder bore below the piston skirt. The rods also have an offset to allow the use of wider main crank bearings. That is why the #1 & 3 rods are different than # 2 & 4 rods.
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cranshaft original diameter

Post by davpet » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:41 pm

Guys,
what is the original diameter of the crankshaft main journals. If I know the starting diameter, I can subtract the new diameter to determine bearing size.

also what is the max. under the bearings can be?? .70 or .80?

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Post by SB5477 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:22 pm

John,
Thank you for taking the time to write this series about rebuilding engines. It makes it easier for everybody when the time comes to do it. I like to add that you should still clean and measure(!) the crankshaft very carefully, (not just remove it from the plastic bag and install,) including the oilways, with brushes and blow them clean with compressed air. I do not automatically trust any machine shop with this. And you should not either. They can get busy, hire a new guy or who knows what. Also should check each and every ring for the correct gap, even oil rails if you have them. Keep us informed how the new engine works. Good luck and thanks.

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Re: Rebuilding the jeep engine PART THREE

Post by Dean Williams » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:13 pm

Does anybody have or know where I can get some of the 2nd type rear main seals as pictured in the photo of the 3 types of seals. On a couple of engines, one CJ flat head and one CJ F head I have had the problem of the rear main burning and seizing because of the heat built up by the modern seal. I was able to find a 2nd type lip seal and it fixed the flathead with no leaks to this day but now I need one for the f head. I have seen a service bulletin from one of the gasket mfgs that talks about this problem and the solution was to used the other seal. Any help would be greatly appeciated. email or pm me.
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