Asbestos in Brake Linings?

[bazza46]

Hi Tony.
What you just said rings so true for me. In the 60s, when most cars didn't have boosters, brake linings seemed softer, and I never had any trouble with high pedal pressure. But in the last 25 years or so, on the same jeep, the brakes have been getting harder. And I remember the woven linings we used to use, were softer.
A measure of how hard the linings are is when using the spring installer. The point of it used to dig into the shoes, sometimes leaving a big crater (which did not affect the efficiency of the brake), but on the new linings it would barely hold, as it couldn't get a foothold on the hard surface. Today I gave the new linings the hardness test, by poking a pointy rod into the surface and they are also as hard as rock.

I'll definitely take your advice and check those guys out.
It certainly will be worth the money to have decent brakes again.
Thanks a million. P.S. Here's a picture of one of my very old brake linings from the 60s -woven.

Bazza

[Tony W]

on ya Baz

[artificer]

I would suggest real time experience always should be taken into account & what has been suggested here by other members, is spot on.
One must explain to whoever is doing your work what they need to do/understand for your job.
Young bloods have no idea.

If there is no booster some modern lining compositions won't be efficient in the standard era Jeep bottom 'anchor' adjusting setup.

As it was this brake setup was relatively new after cable brakes & never really brilliant.

[OldPappy]

Raises the nasty thought that the "NOS" surplus axles I have for my build would have the old brake shoes, which surely contain asbestos.

[cjv-35]

Which will give you very good braking action compared to the current made crap linings without asbestos that I have on my 45 GPW. New drums, wheel cylinders, return springs, adjusted best as I could and it will stop, but I cannot lock the brakes. You are lucky to have them.

[Joe Gopan]

There are many vehicle collectors that install original brake components and enjoy years of good braking.

[OldPappy]

I agree, and will simply take extreme precaution against contamination when I have to work on the brakes. They will probably outlast me.

I probably will look into getting a set of the new woven linings to keep on hand for when, if ever, a brake job is needed on the Jeep. They are available now, but who knows what will be available years down the road.

[Marty, SoCal]

Copper is now on it's way out of brake linings, too:
https://www.copper.org/environment/impa ... brake.html

At the SoCal rally last month in Acton, there was a vendor with GPW marked replacement fiber lining sets, so asbestos is still out there if you want it!

Steve McQueen died of Mesothelioma as mentioned earlier, they blame it on his service history, his fire retardant asbestos race suit and brakes from the race cars.
http://www.allaboutmalignantmesotheliom ... cqueen.htm

Also could have been partly due to his smoking. At one point they were putting asbestos in cigarette filters! Smoking along with asbestos exposure is stated to be 900% more likely to cause Mesothelioma.

https://www.mesothelioma.com/asbestos-e ... e-filters/

Also, don't forget that clutches in days past were also made with Asbestos linings.

[Joe Gopan]

Steve McQueen had one foot on a banana peel much of the time.

[Joe Gopan]

About the only way one can have good braking action in a WC and M-37 is with original Asbestos shoes.

[Tony W]

Sorry Ben, You are wrong,,,, Tests have proven the new line of woven roll linings are better than original asbestos linings..

I have done a lot of research on this, on the net and working and talking with real tradesmen.

Hey Dino,, CJV. If you cant get this woven lining, I can probably get this stuff off the roll and post it to you. Don't know how much for postage but if you want I can make enquiries.

Tony

[dinof]

Sorry Ben, You are wrong,,,, Tests have proven the new line of woven roll linings are better than original asbestos linings..

I have done a lot of research on this, on the net and working and talking with real tradesmen.

Hey Dino,, CJV. If you cant get this woven lining, I can probably get this stuff off the roll and post it to you. Don't know how much for postage but if you want I can make enquiries.

Tony

Thanks Tony but i have a spare set I bought back in the late 80's when I did my jeep.....I guess I thought I would use them after my first ones were worn.
But 17 years later or so, my set still looks thick as ever. I don't put a lot of miles on my baby as you can see.

[dinof]

And once again, it appears that some suppliers are selling the good material shoes that work fine, and the other suppliers that sell the hard shoes that don't work like they should.

[Joe Gopan]

Tony, what are the brand names that these rolls of woven brake lining are sold under, is there a part number for the Willys Jeeps MB/GPW, CJ-2A thru 5 and the M-38/M-38A1?
Does Wagner, Raybestos and Bendix list lined shoes with this new woven material for Jeeps?
If you can provide a popular brand part number for a set of lined shoes MB and M-38A1 with this new material, I will buy a set to compare with the NOS original asbestos I have in my spares.

[KiwiMB]

Hi folks,
for those of you in Aussie, I believe asbestos is now totally banned in Australia. I believe there are harsh penalties for any person importing products containing asbestos. I understand this after an issue at the energy company I used to work for what they imported some oil well "stop leak" products from China, only to discover there was asbestos in it. All I can say is the brown stuff lodged in the ventilating system over that!!!

I was recently approached to be part of a convoy trip across Spain to Normandy, some of the other invitees were Australian. THe Aussie members discovered that if they shipped their vehicles overseas, and then brought them back to Aussie, they had to prove to border control that their vehicles were free of asbestos, at a cost to them of $AUD4000.00 per vehicle.

Just so that you know The reality here is that asbestos is nasty sh.t and there are plenty of viable alternatives available, however we need to talk to our brake repairers/reliners and let them know there is no brake booster fitted, and that the fixed bottom pivots don't allow the shoes to self energize so selection of the right lining is essential.

Cheers

Ian