transition glove box?

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transition glove box?

Post by 101son » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:59 am

Could this be a transition glove box door?
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It has the same lock as the this photo
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except the lock sets higher like the later lid with the round hole. What do you think? My jeep is a 5/43 DOD so I think I should have the round hole higher lock instead of the top photo.


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Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:23 am

Here is the slat grill locking door...notice the one in your photo has some type of "ears" flanking the hole? Never seen that on any door before:
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...and the early GPW version of the locking door:
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Here is the Ford 1943 style door with the push-button closure you should have:
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Post by 101son » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:45 am

The ears are just part of the lock.It comes right out. The shape of the cutout is like the one you posted as early gpw except it is higher like the later door. If not a transition then what could it be? I don't think 2a's had glove boxes. :? Any idea where to get an early style lock to see if it fits? I thought it may just be the D hole but looks like it has not been modified.

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Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 am

If those "ears" are a part of the lock and not the door then the lock itself is bogus. Here are a few photos of original key-type locks for the slat grill jeeps. However since you have a 1943 GPW your jeep had the push button lock on it for over 100,000 jeeps AFTER the key-type was discontinued. Get the correct door and push button closure and you will be good to go...

Here are the key type locks:
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There is no "transitional" type at Ford or Willys.
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Post by m3bobby » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:28 pm

I'm intrigued now as my early low position lock hole door has the D shape hole of the later door rather than the key hole shaped one in the photo.
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Post by 101son » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:44 pm

I'm intrigued now as my early low position lock hole door has the D shape hole of the later door rather than the key hole shaped one in the photo
Exactly,the exact opposite problem I have. We have the oddballs that aren't explained yet........

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Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:51 pm

Does this help you identify anything?

Low position..."D" opening....Willys of France marked.
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Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:11 pm

By the way...AFAIK, the early key type and later push-button type BOTH use a "D" opening....check the photo of the glove box door I posted above:
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This opening has been enlarged and the cutout is rough and uneven. It is almost as if someone wanted to use a lock mechanism that was not MB/GPW and had to "modify" the opening to do that, (hint, hint).

Still waiting for someone to come forward with pics of a REAL WWII glove box door with the Keyhole cutout from the FACTORY.
Still waiting for someone to come forward with pics of a REAL WWII lock mechanism, be it a key-type or push-button that is NOT a "D" hole type, but rather a key-hole shaped barrel.

Again, there is no "transitional", but there is a world of Bubbas out there...
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Post by 101son » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:15 pm

When I get time I will take the lock off to see what it looks like. Thanks for the info. If it looks like not messed with I will send a photo-

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Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:21 am

Remember that if your dash has an elongated oval slot with a RH screw & external toothed washer in it, that is how you adjust the bracket that the push-button lock grabs. If the dash is SMOOTH right above where the lock in the door is then the tub would have had the key-type glove box door lock.

You have a 5/43 GPW....you will find the RH screw (or the hole for it) in the dash necessitating the push-button lock unless the jeep is a complete overhaul in which case it would have a script rear panel....which went away in late summer of 1942.

Fitting a post-war lock on your door seems to me to be the best explanation of that key-hole opening.
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Post by 101son » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:35 pm

Thanks Chuck, I will send off for the correct one.

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Post by 101son » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:07 pm

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Here are the photos without the lock in the door. Looks like it was made that way. So what do I have everyone?
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Re: transition glove box?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:12 am

I have no idea what vehicle your lock came from, does it even use an H700 key?
Here are more photos of CORRECT key-type early locks. They all use the "D" shaped body and require a "d" shaped hole in the door.

If you need MORE pics of correct locks I can post them:
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Here is your 1937 Chevy key type lock with the "Keyhole" style body. is that what you have?
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Post by 101son » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:54 pm

I will find the key in a couple days and let you know. I guess my question is if the door is built like it is it appears to be made correctly except for the key hole. Could this have been off a early 2a? I mean the ones that still used the mb bodies? Maybe they added a locking glove box with this cutout from left over stock? I don't think the production 2a's had a glovebox so it seems that it has to be from a gpw or mb.

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Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:42 am

An ORIGINAL glove box has a hole for the lock that is 17mm across the "D" and 19mm from top to bottom.
The key-type lock and the pushbutton lock use the "D" shaped hole.

I posted pics of ORIGINAL locks of both variety....yours is neither.
The door WAS built correctly until Bubba got ahold of it.

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