Leather rifle scabord placement

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Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by rich42gpw » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:31 pm

I have had an original rifle scabord but have never mounted it on my jeep. I see them in pictures but can't figure out how to mount it. Anybody have pictures they can send me with how to strap it on to the jeep?
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:53 pm

The scabbard was meant to be hung from a saddle with the two straps/clips it came with. If you use the leather straps you have two problems; first leather doesn't bend very well and second, you can't cinch it up TIGHT using the type of buckle they come with so the Garand will be flopping all over the place as you speed up and slow down.

I just use an old army belt as found on ebay. Not much interest in a 32" or so waist/length so they can be found cheaply or you can scrounge a buckle and a strap from something else to use instead. Hey, even an old Boy Scout belt with a GI buckle will work just fine.

I wrap the belt through/around the scabbard, put an old cotton sock on the end where it is hidden behind the shovel and secure it between the mirror and the safety strap eyebolt. That way I can put the windshield up or down without undoing the dang thing each time.

I've had a couple Garand scabbards but settled on an M1 Carbine scabbard as it and the rifle are much shorter and to me, it looks better to the scale of the jeep. A cheap GI carbine stock can be found on ebay with a buttplate on it and a little paint stripper and walnut stain and..... volia!..... it looks great. Unless someone pulls it up out of the scabbard no one can tell there isn't a complete M1 Carbine in there anyway!

It looks the part, no hassle about a "weapon" from anyone and no sweat about a very expensive weapon taking a walk on me....
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by rich42gpw » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:03 pm

Chuck,
I think we have had this conversation before now that you have jogged my memory.
Here in Utah we can still own guns so I have a carbine and a Garand, I have a windshield mount for one. I also have an old belt I can use.
Any pictures you may have would also help my visual brain work.
Thanks
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Post by Ben Hovis » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:16 pm

Rich,
Only have one picture as I am re-doing several items and seems like every time I re-install it I do it a little different. Each time I get it a little better than last time. As Chuck said most installations use the standard web straps to hold it in.
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Will have to get some more pictures taken after I re-install it.
Hope it helps you get some ideas,
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by tamnalan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:17 am

Hey Ben, how did you get your nice finish on the pioneer tool wood? Looks excellent.
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Post by Ben Hovis » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:19 am

Hi Alan,
The axe and the shovel were loaded with old paint so, took it all off with paint remover then cleaned wood with fine sandpaper and steel wool. Taped off the wood and painted the steel with primer and forest green paint. Then taped off the metal after it dried well.
Next when wood was looking very good all pores were receptive to a finish, applied several coats of linseed oil (no diluting), let each coat dry well in the sun and after about 4 coats it came up with a nice luster. linseed oil is wonderful for wood and very water repellent.
Thanks for asking.
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by MB1943EB » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:18 am

Ben Hovis wrote:Hi Alan,
The axe and the shovel were loaded with old paint so, took it all off with paint remover then cleaned wood with fine sandpaper and steel wool. Taped off the wood and painted the steel with primer and forest green paint. Then taped off the metal after it dried well.
Next when wood was looking very good all pores were receptive to a finish, applied several coats of linseed oil (no diluting), let each coat dry well in the sun and after about 4 coats it came up with a nice luster. linseed oil is wonderful for wood and very water repellent.
Thanks for asking.
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Ben,
shovel's and axe's wood looks breathtakingly nice! Perfect job. I'm not familiar with linseed oil: if it is transparent, then how do you get this light-brown look after 4 coats?
Wood to be cleaned with coarse or fine sandpaper?
And if you don't dilute the linseed oil, will it penetrate sufficiently into the wood?
As soon as I get your response I'll start working on axe + shovel straight away...! :D
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by Ben Hovis » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:51 am

Eckhard,
Here is the product I purchased at Home Depot http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip- ... 203798-_-N It is a boiled process when manufactured. We used linseed oil in the Marine Corps to treat our M-1 Garand rifle stocks. Did it all by hand rubbed process (gives wood strength too) . On my shovel /Axe I always apply when the weather is warm and set it in the sun to penetrate into the wood. If you get it on too heavy, wipe it down with a clean cloth. Before you apply it when all the crud and paint has been removed us fine sandpaper you will need to have the wood surface very smooth. I usually let it dry overnight between coats.
Have fun,
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:58 am

Always use "BLO" aka, boiled linseed oil and NOT the raw linseed oil! There is a difference!

I've also had very good luck with hammer handles that seem to have 70+ years of greasy/oily hands on them. Simply make a solution of "DAWN" dishwashing soap and water....a strong one...and use a Scotchbrite pad (or the green side of those sponges the wife uses in the kitchen with a soft yellow side to them) and keep rubbing and rinsing, rubbing and rinsing....you'll be surprised how CLEAN the wood will come out. Worst case scenario is you end up with some darker highlights in the grain afterwords (which I happen to think looks nice)....then if you like, a coat of BLO will finish it off.....the DAWN also gets the head of the hammer clean as well!
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by MB1943EB » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:40 am

Ben, Chuck,
thanks for your interesting contributions. Helps a lot.
In about a minute I'll post some questions on which colour was used to paint the axe's and shovel's blades.
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Post by W. Winget » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:27 am

Above all, don't leave the rag with linseed oil in your garage in a pile, it DOES spontaneously combust, takes a few hours sometimes, but it can and likely will. You can let it dry outside and it will be fine, or store it in a container with lid, but left to it's own in a pile, the rag or paper towels build heat and go up. There's been other threads about this recently, and just something not mentioned often enough.

I put a leather holster on the drivers side with green straps through the eye, and tucked behind the shovel, it creased the leather eventually where the shovel rubbed.

For the passenger side I made a 3/4" x 3/4" angle Iron bracket which clipped to the foot rest with a bolt (clamp fashion, no hole) ran up the side, a flat plate went forward under the windshield pivot and a J hook fit over the safety strap loop neck. I then tied the leather holster to that bracket through two slots I cut in the angle Iron for a clean secure fit with a dead M1 butt stock and torched barrel on half a receiver no one can se keeping the stock up. Lots of people pull the dead weapon out till they see it's a cut up monstrosity (courtesy of Bill Clinton) If needed I can provide a photo.
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by rich42gpw » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:49 pm

Chuck you just need to move to the free part of the US west but to all the way west
I can shoot my 1919 in my back yard and the neighbors only clap
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by Ben Hovis » Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:46 pm

Finally got my scabbard re-installed. See pictures below. Using web belts and works quite well for the display. Hope it gives you some ideas?
Sorry pictures are too big will shrink and see if it will attach them.
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Re: Leather rifle scabord placement

Post by Ben Hovis » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:42 pm

I think these pictures will attach. (Worked)
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Works well for me. The rifle is an original Japanese Arisaka Type 99.
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