Jerry can holder
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Jerry can holder
Hello !
One again I trust G503 forum to help me...
I have just realized that the jerrycan holder that I have is not wwII one...
I wish to find a good one to fix on my july 44 MB, but I would like to know what is important to check on a wwII genuine jerry can holder ?? I guess there is 4 small and 2 big holes under (mine have just 4 small), that we can see 3 welding spot on each side, but I am wondering about the part number that is sometimes on the front side ??
What is your opinion ?
Thanks a lot
Ben
One again I trust G503 forum to help me...
I have just realized that the jerrycan holder that I have is not wwII one...
I wish to find a good one to fix on my july 44 MB, but I would like to know what is important to check on a wwII genuine jerry can holder ?? I guess there is 4 small and 2 big holes under (mine have just 4 small), that we can see 3 welding spot on each side, but I am wondering about the part number that is sometimes on the front side ??
What is your opinion ?
Thanks a lot
Ben
Hi, my name is Ben, from France !
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Re: Jerry can holder
The gold standard for WWII jeeps seems to be those with the correct part number on them:
Some may very well be unmarked and some guys feel that this number is still WWII correct (I am not convinced it is or isn't myself):
Post war ones are often of THINNER guage metal with different bottom assembly/folds/welds on them.Chuck Lutz
GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
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Re: Jerry can holder
Chuck, not necessarily so regarding post war racks. The genuine military can racks are made the same except for the change of the war period number to a federal stock number. The commercial can racks are thinner material and have a cheesy fold. I have seen some post war that had the same fold and some with a different fold. I think the manufacturer dictates the fold.
Bill H.
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Re: Jerry can holder
Can anyone tell me for sure that the jerrycan holders supplied on delivery on a Willys MB always had the 42 B gov. part number stamped on them?
If a non marked bracket is not correct, no big problem to me because I have a marked one as well, for the moment used for the non standard Water can (and Water Bucket! ) that was fitted on my jeep when it was Midnight requisitioned by the Navy...*
* This is my own made up story, and by no mean the truth.
If a non marked bracket is not correct, no big problem to me because I have a marked one as well, for the moment used for the non standard Water can (and Water Bucket! ) that was fitted on my jeep when it was Midnight requisitioned by the Navy...*
* This is my own made up story, and by no mean the truth.
Luca
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43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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Re: Jerry can holder
As Chuck posted, the numbered can rack is the war time standard. I believe there were war time can racks that did not have numbers though. Albeit not hard proof, I had a very rough and unmolested Ford GPW I parted out that had an un-numbered can rack on it. I have no doubt as to its being original to the jeep.
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Bill H.
"Each shall seek his own kind, in other words, a bird may love a fish but where would they build a home together?" Tevye, Fiddler on the Roof
1952 Dunbar Kapple M100
1953 Willys M38A1
1962 AMC M422A1
1965 Stevens M416B1 X 2
1967 Kaiser M715
2 Timothy 3:1-5
"Each shall seek his own kind, in other words, a bird may love a fish but where would they build a home together?" Tevye, Fiddler on the Roof
1952 Dunbar Kapple M100
1953 Willys M38A1
1962 AMC M422A1
1965 Stevens M416B1 X 2
1967 Kaiser M715
2 Timothy 3:1-5
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Re: Jerry can holder
I don't believe we ever confirmed that the 42 B marking was necessary for a WWII jeep, just that if yours had that marking you would be good to go. As I said, SOME may be unmarked....
...and, post war ones are OFTEN of a thinner guage....so again.
1) Yours has the 42B numger = perfect
2) No number, but this guage and construction = MAYBE still OK (I think so)
3) Number 66675 = PROBABLY post war but not confirmed
4) THIN guage = post war
...and, post war ones are OFTEN of a thinner guage....so again.
1) Yours has the 42B numger = perfect
2) No number, but this guage and construction = MAYBE still OK (I think so)
3) Number 66675 = PROBABLY post war but not confirmed
4) THIN guage = post war
Chuck Lutz
GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3-C 1947
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Re: Jerry can holder
Look at the Parts Colours Page...... http://jeepdraw.com/PART_COLOURS.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Under.......
SPARE FUEL CARRIER
JR
Under.......
SPARE FUEL CARRIER
JR
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Re: Jerry can holder
For some reason,Jon, I cannot reach the jerrycan holder on the link.
I do wonder how many guys have found an unmarked holder on their jeep just as Bill mentioned.
Conversely, how many have a marked bracket of which they are 100% it is original to their jeep?
I do wonder how many guys have found an unmarked holder on their jeep just as Bill mentioned.
Conversely, how many have a marked bracket of which they are 100% it is original to their jeep?
Luca
WillysMB#344142 6-19-44 Navy N.S.Blue Grey
45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
Way too many WWII military tools,hopefully thinning down,and way too many posts...
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WillysMB#344142 6-19-44 Navy N.S.Blue Grey
45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
Way too many WWII military tools,hopefully thinning down,and way too many posts...
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Re: Jerry can holder
Click on........ The Link........ http://jeepdraw.com/PART_COLOURS.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;lucakiki wrote:For some reason,Jon, I cannot reach the jerrycan holder on the link.
Scroll down until you see......... SPARE FUEL CARRIER
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1942 MBT 19433W
AUSTRALIA
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1942 MBT 19433W
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Re: Jerry can holder
One example of unmarked original WWII Jerry can holder on original unrestored & preserved Willys MB (DOD 7-31-44).
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Re: Jerry can holder
Thank you very much, mbwlc!
Actually in the past I used to believe that brackets as fitted on Willys assembly line were unmarked, while the marked ones would be relacements or retrofits.
Now, as way too often in things jeep,I am not so sure.
Is there anyone who can confirm to have found a marked bracket/carrier/holder on a Willys with a safe enough likeliness of it being the very one originally fitted on the assembly line?
In other words, is there a possibility that a marked brackets is not what was originally fitted
Actually in the past I used to believe that brackets as fitted on Willys assembly line were unmarked, while the marked ones would be relacements or retrofits.
Now, as way too often in things jeep,I am not so sure.
Is there anyone who can confirm to have found a marked bracket/carrier/holder on a Willys with a safe enough likeliness of it being the very one originally fitted on the assembly line?
In other words, is there a possibility that a marked brackets is not what was originally fitted
Luca
WillysMB#344142 6-19-44 Navy N.S.Blue Grey
45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
Way too many WWII military tools,hopefully thinning down,and way too many posts...
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WillysMB#344142 6-19-44 Navy N.S.Blue Grey
45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
Way too many WWII military tools,hopefully thinning down,and way too many posts...
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Re: Jerry can holder
Hi,
Where was the 42b stamp positioned on the carrier? Mine looks pretty used and old, but no numbers found as yet. It is not original to my jeep, as it is a mai 42.
What gauge is the steel on a ww2 carrier?
Regards Maarten
Where was the 42b stamp positioned on the carrier? Mine looks pretty used and old, but no numbers found as yet. It is not original to my jeep, as it is a mai 42.
What gauge is the steel on a ww2 carrier?
Regards Maarten
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Re: Jerry can holder
This is one of the places where you can find the stamping.
Luca
WillysMB#344142 6-19-44 Navy N.S.Blue Grey
45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
Way too many WWII military tools,hopefully thinning down,and way too many posts...
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WillysMB#344142 6-19-44 Navy N.S.Blue Grey
45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
Way too many WWII military tools,hopefully thinning down,and way too many posts...
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Re: Jerry can holder
I have seen the "42-B-22590" marking to the right and to the left of where the strap on the front edge of the carrier is reveted. I have seen it in different fonts as well.
Chuck Lutz
GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3-C 1947
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Re: Jerry can holder
All,
I have a question related to my spare gas can holder as well. Mine is stamped with the number 6566675 (no spaces). It has the four smaller holes only but appears to be of heavier gage steel and the tabs and welds look similar to the WWII vintage as shown in Chucks photos. It was on the jeep but not sure if original. The majority of top bow brackets and other items had been removed from the tub and holes welded shut. Has any one seen this number as I posted and know of what era it would/could be from. Any knowledge of this is helpful. Thanks.
Regards
Bill
I have a question related to my spare gas can holder as well. Mine is stamped with the number 6566675 (no spaces). It has the four smaller holes only but appears to be of heavier gage steel and the tabs and welds look similar to the WWII vintage as shown in Chucks photos. It was on the jeep but not sure if original. The majority of top bow brackets and other items had been removed from the tub and holes welded shut. Has any one seen this number as I posted and know of what era it would/could be from. Any knowledge of this is helpful. Thanks.
Regards
Bill
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