Jerry can holder

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Jerry can holder

Post by tuvee » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:05 am

Hello !
One again I trust G503 forum to help me...
I have just realized that the jerrycan holder that I have is not wwII one...
I wish to find a good one to fix on my july 44 MB, but I would like to know what is important to check on a wwII genuine jerry can holder ?? I guess there is 4 small and 2 big holes under (mine have just 4 small), that we can see 3 welding spot on each side, but I am wondering about the part number that is sometimes on the front side ??
What is your opinion ?
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Chuck Lutz » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:24 am

The gold standard for WWII jeeps seems to be those with the correct part number on them:
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Some may very well be unmarked and some guys feel that this number is still WWII correct (I am not convinced it is or isn't myself):
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Post war ones are often of THINNER guage metal with different bottom assembly/folds/welds on them.
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Bill H. » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:34 am

Chuck, not necessarily so regarding post war racks. The genuine military can racks are made the same except for the change of the war period number to a federal stock number. The commercial can racks are thinner material and have a cheesy fold. I have seen some post war that had the same fold and some with a different fold. I think the manufacturer dictates the fold. :)
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by lucakiki » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:00 am

Can anyone tell me for sure that the jerrycan holders supplied on delivery on a Willys MB always had the 42 B gov. part number stamped on them?
If a non marked bracket is not correct, no big problem to me because I have a marked one as well, for the moment used for the non standard Water can (and Water Bucket! :lol:) that was fitted on my jeep when it was Midnight requisitioned by the Navy...*


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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Bill H. » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:31 am

As Chuck posted, the numbered can rack is the war time standard. I believe there were war time can racks that did not have numbers though. Albeit not hard proof, I had a very rough and unmolested Ford GPW I parted out that had an un-numbered can rack on it. I have no doubt as to its being original to the jeep.
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Chuck Lutz » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:32 am

I don't believe we ever confirmed that the 42 B marking was necessary for a WWII jeep, just that if yours had that marking you would be good to go. As I said, SOME may be unmarked....

...and, post war ones are OFTEN of a thinner guage....so again.
1) Yours has the 42B numger = perfect
2) No number, but this guage and construction = MAYBE still OK (I think so)
3) Number 66675 = PROBABLY post war but not confirmed
4) THIN guage = post war
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Jon » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:29 pm

Look at the Parts Colours Page...... http://jeepdraw.com/PART_COLOURS.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Under.......
SPARE FUEL CARRIER

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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by lucakiki » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:56 pm

For some reason,Jon, I cannot reach the jerrycan holder on the link.
I do wonder how many guys have found an unmarked holder on their jeep just as Bill mentioned.
Conversely, how many have a marked bracket of which they are 100% it is original to their jeep?
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Jon » Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:54 pm

lucakiki wrote:For some reason,Jon, I cannot reach the jerrycan holder on the link.
Click on........ The Link........ http://jeepdraw.com/PART_COLOURS.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Scroll down until you see......... SPARE FUEL CARRIER
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by mbwlc » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:49 pm

One example of unmarked original WWII Jerry can holder on original unrestored & preserved Willys MB (DOD 7-31-44).

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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by lucakiki » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:45 pm

Thank you very much, mbwlc!
Actually in the past I used to believe that brackets as fitted on Willys assembly line were unmarked, while the marked ones would be relacements or retrofits.
Now, as way too often in things jeep,I am not so sure.
Is there anyone who can confirm to have found a marked bracket/carrier/holder on a Willys with a safe enough likeliness of it being the very one originally fitted on the assembly line?

In other words, is there a possibility that a marked brackets is not what was originally fitted :?:
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by MES » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:01 am

Hi,
Where was the 42b stamp positioned on the carrier? Mine looks pretty used and old, but no numbers found as yet. It is not original to my jeep, as it is a mai 42.
What gauge is the steel on a ww2 carrier?
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by lucakiki » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:37 am

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This is one of the places where you can find the stamping.
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:35 am

I have seen the "42-B-22590" marking to the right and to the left of where the strap on the front edge of the carrier is reveted. I have seen it in different fonts as well.
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Re: Jerry can holder

Post by r40ford » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:52 am

All,
I have a question related to my spare gas can holder as well. Mine is stamped with the number 6566675 (no spaces). It has the four smaller holes only but appears to be of heavier gage steel and the tabs and welds look similar to the WWII vintage as shown in Chucks photos. It was on the jeep but not sure if original. The majority of top bow brackets and other items had been removed from the tub and holes welded shut. Has any one seen this number as I posted and know of what era it would/could be from. Any knowledge of this is helpful. Thanks.
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