Handbrake handle differences?

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Handbrake handle differences?

Post by Rob R » Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:06 pm

Are there early vs late construction differences for the end of the handle? The one my GPW has has a round hole and slot where the cable ( not original in my case) ball slides into. I ran across another handle recently that has no hole or slot, yet has remants of a cable inside, which I presume must have been placed before the handpiece was riveted on?

Is it possible these are military vs civilian differences?

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Post by Chris Fourroux » Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:35 pm

There is an early e-brake handle and a late.
And there is a civilian one too.

The early e-brake handle for use with the external emergency brake seems to have had the cable inserted in the ratchet tube prior to mounting the handle.
The later e-brake handle I can't give you any info on , but it was for the Internal emergency brake. I think it had a slot in the tip to connect the cable.
I'm pretty sure I have another civilian handle.
take a look at this picture.
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The top one I thinkis for a CJ. it has a slot in the tip to connect a cable.
The middle one is an original early e-brake handle that some bonehead PO cut the cable on.
The last one is a reproduction early handle. Notice it is a little shorter and the rivet is not flush with the handle.

And here is a picture of the slot in the tip of the CJ handle.
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hope that helps. maybe someone else has a picture of a later g503 handle.
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Post by Rob R » Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:38 pm

Thanks Chris

The one I found recently is the one in the middle of your
top pic. The one in my GPW seems as long as this but has
the slot as in your bottom pic. Maybe someone can confirm
the date of change?

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Post by Carsten » Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:25 am

Hi guys...

I think i might add something here:
I have the late style expanding e-brake, and found out i had the wrong cable, namely the one used for the early contracting type e-brake! When i tried to change the cable to a late style one, i also discovered that i had an early style handle with ratchet tube, and there was no way i could attach the late style cable to the early style ratchet tube!

The first picture shows the forward end of the ratchet tube, together with the early style cable in the middle (note that the small reinforcement on the end of the conduit is removed, to be able to slide the cable and conduit out through the tube), and the late style in the bottom. The second picture shows the entire ratchet tube seated in it's bracket, and the handle with one of the small rivets (one needed on each side of the handle). The ratchet tube alone is approx. 30,5 cm or 12 in. long, and it has no slot or anything for inserting the "stopper" located at the end of the cable! The cable might have been inserted through the tube before the conduit were pulled over it, because the small reinforcements in each end of the conduit can't fit through the ratchet tube! Another possibility is that those small reinforcements were fitted after the cable and conduit were inserted together through the tube...

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Post by Hobo » Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:33 am

Carsten,

we need to see a late handle now!

I think the cable was inserted before the nandle was put on, hence no slot as in the CJ one!
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Post by Guest » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:08 am

Hobo,

i agree, would be nice to get everything sorted out now!

Somebody please post a picture of a late style e-brake handle! :?

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Post by Carsten » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:33 am

Sorry, my post above... :oops:
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Post by Carsten » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:05 pm

Ooops, got one months ago, but forgot to post the picture! Here it is...

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Everything makes sense now....
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Post by Chris Warne » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:35 pm

I've recently removed my late handle - I'll take a pic and post it up tomorrow. The cable was secured by a split pin if I remember correctly - I'll need to check the partsbag.

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Re: Can Id these handle parking brake?

Post by Luis » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:22 pm

Hi fellows!

Can Id these brake handles?

Different lengths
Different numbers of teeth
Different distances between teeth

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Thanks in advance!! :wink:

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Re: Handbrake handle differences?

Post by lowbonnet » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:34 pm

Interesting post from 2005.

I see that one of the e-brake handles didn't have a pin or rivet. My NOS handle don't have holes as well. Is having this pin something between late versus early?

I have a nice NOS f marked handle and I would like to replace the handle I currently have in my early 42 gpw.
The NOS one does not have any holes for the rivet. Should it have a hole for the pin???

If yes, who does sell such a rivet / pin?
Anyone has done this before? tips are welcome.
I don't have a special riveting tool.

Owner of example picture: Jeepdraw.
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Apparently the rivet was already used on slat grills.. so my June 42 gpw most probably also uses a handle with a rivet.

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Re: Handbrake handle differences?

Post by David Neale » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:00 am

If I remember right, the civilian handle had the noched end so you could replace just the cable. I took my original F- marked handle, and used my Dremel motor tool to notch the end of the old GPW handle so it was like a civilian one, and then used a cable I took from a repo one that I bought from Ron, and used it on the old GPW F handle.
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Re: Handbrake handle differences?

Post by Jon » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:48 pm

lowbonnet wrote:Interesting post from 2005.

I see that one of the e-brake handles didn't have a pin or rivet. My NOS handle don't have holes as well. Is having this pin something between late versus early?

There's two drive pins holding the handle to the shaft. Not a rivet.
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Re: Handbrake handle differences?

Post by lowbonnet » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:16 am

I didn't know the correct name, thanks Jon, now I know I have to use the name "drive pins".

But then, did all handles used in ww2 jeeps had drive pins to fix the handle to the handbrake stick? Or was there some moment in time that no drive pins were used? I asked this because one of the picture above has a green handle with no drive pins. Any my NOS green handle didn't have holes either? I am confused because I don't see the point not adding the holes in the factory, but instead they have to do that in the field (?)....

When doing a google search on "handle drive pins gpw mb" I came accross this post on g503.com viewtopic.php?f=4&t=63577
And that is in fact the main issue with how this forum is build. It lacks a place where information is stored which we all have agreed upon that it is correct. The problem with this forum is that there is no actual repository of all information collected about, for example, hand brake systems (the handle, brake drum etc.), or all information about windshields, hoods, chassis, engine etc. Information is shattered all over the place and questions (like mine) are asked dozens of times through the years this forum exists and they are lost in space because they can't be find. It would be better to collect this precious information, put a stamp on it and seal it in some kind of place (where it is possible to add more information gathered in the future). But at least I know where to look when I want to know everything about a particular item... now we are running in circles.

Jon, is this the type of drive pin you mean?
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