Where is the toeboard gusset number

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Where is the toeboard gusset number

Post by Gpralph » Sat May 28, 2016 9:48 am

Can someone tell me where the drivers side toe board gusset number is please? Is it on the one inch wide side facing the grille? Is it on the side facing the drivers "door" or on the side facing the passenger "door"? Or isn't some other place? My chassis seems to be a June 1944 GPW so assuming the toeboard gusset is original, would there definitely be a number on it. Ta.


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Re: Where is the toeboard gusset number

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Sat May 28, 2016 10:32 am

On a 1944 body after about Jan. 20th. the number would be on the 1 " wide part facing the radiator but only if the gusset has 3 holes ( 2 round and 1 oval AND the depression around the tool box lock buttons are round ). If the depressions around the locks are rectangle shaped then the body was made by Ford and there will not be a number on the body gusset.

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Post by wo2jeeper » Sat May 28, 2016 10:37 am

Tom, it was earlier. My MB300518 has Body 2601 and dod 20 januari 44, from my studies the first 1500 of the ACMII bodies went to Ford so they started from around 1500 at Willys. Estimate production totals would make Willys start with ACMII bodies around 15/16 januari but correct me when I am wrong.

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Post by Tom Wolboldt » Sat May 28, 2016 10:51 am

Hi wo2jeeper,

My post shows
On a 1944 body after about Jan. 20th. the number would be on the 1 " wide part facing the radiator
. Lloyd White's Vol. 1 pg. 261 shows the composite body starting at S.N. 298838 on Jan. 19th , '44.

" About Jan. 20th " is very close to the 19th.

Can you post or email to me a photo of your MB 300518's data plate ?

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Post by Gpralph » Sun May 29, 2016 4:08 am

The gusset has five holes and no sign of a number. Where does that leave me??

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Re: Where is the toeboard gusset number

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Sun May 29, 2016 4:24 am

Five round hole gussets have a number on the wheel side at the lower half of the front edge. Best to see the number if the fender is on the vehicle by laying beside the left front tire with your head near the body step then look up between the body and the inner fender. The number will read from top to bottom.

Sounds like the 206xxx number stamped into the frame may be a MB serial number from early '43 if the body number turns out to be around 108xxx to 109xxx something

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Post by fernando mendes » Sun May 29, 2016 5:31 am

Jeep Body Number location..jpg
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Jeep Willys MB DoD dec,16 1942 s/n:196275
Dodge B3-B 4x2 1952 s/n:90099559
CCKW 353 Banjo 1944 s/n:309623

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Post by fernando mendes » Sun May 29, 2016 5:43 am

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Jeep Willys MB DoD dec,16 1942 s/n:196275
Dodge B3-B 4x2 1952 s/n:90099559
CCKW 353 Banjo 1944 s/n:309623

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Post by Gpralph » Sun May 29, 2016 7:52 am

Ok I have the number 209337. So the tub data plate says 44607, the front drivers side beam behind the bumper says 206596 and the toeboard says 209337. Where does that leave me? A triple hybrid jeep??

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Post by Tom Wolboldt » Sun May 29, 2016 10:01 am

Most likely at least a quad hybrid jeep.

Data plate - GPW 44607 - 1 July, '42
Body - ACM type 1 - 209337 - Used on about MB 286xxx to MB 287xxx or GPW 164xxx to 165xxx - in early Dec. '43.
Frame horn stamping - 206596 - MB about 25 Jan. '43 or GPW about mid June, '44.
Tag on top of frame rail - 1595360 - Most likely British war time rebuilt registration number.
Motor - 15669 - ? - photo taken to close up to tell were number was stamped.

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Post by Gpralph » Sun May 29, 2016 11:36 am

At least four! The engine stamp was at the top right of the block. There are no other numbers or letters there. I am guessing that either the data plates/glove box were added to 209337 or the toeboard gussets were added to 44607. It has a single windscreen wiper so I am guessing that the tub is 44607. I have carefully stripped on side of the bonnet to find a good number but no sign. I am minded to go with either the British Hood number M1595360. Any views?

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Post by rick1943gpw » Tue May 31, 2016 9:27 am

Hi Gpralph
Any chance of a picture of the M15 number on your hood The M15 series of jeeps where rebuilt by the British army between 1944 and 1949
Which would explain why you have so many different parts on your jeep seems they didn't care if it was Willys or Ford it fits we will use it
One of the beauty's of parts interchangeability Probably find you have odd axles etc

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Post by lenagirl1 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:30 pm

i have a brain teaser for u guys.i read about all the posts of how to tell the difference between ford and willys body.i have a 43 ford with the front gussets have 2 round holes and 1 oval and the tub # on the front flange facing the radiator.which tells me ita a ford.but the tub has round indentations not square on the rear tool box which tells me willys.did they make both? it also has the headlight hinges welded to the bottom of the bracket which ford did.so what do i have a halfbred?signed CONFUSED

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Post by Tom Wolboldt » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:39 pm

Halfbred Yes !

The body that you refer to is a '44 / '45 body that is either an ACM type 2 body used by both Ford and Willys or an ACM type 2 radio body used by Willys on UMSC / Navy radio MBs ( these last type bodies will have a rectangle shaped hole at the rear of the transmission hump ) .


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