MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by WWII502 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:24 am

Great videos and great references! Thank you. I was working on an average amount of meat and veggies for 10 guys based off of the recipes in the army cook. I didn't look at that chart, would have saved me some calculator time lol.


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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by Steve Webb » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:35 am

Here is a book you may enjoy. It's called how to feed an Army ISBN-13 978-0-06-089111-4 by J G Lewin and P J Huff. It has recipes from Revolutionary War through Iraqi Freedom and quanities for 100 and also for 10 with some for 60 down to 5. It's pretty interesting with a wide variety of things from beverages to mains and desserts. I mean who wouldn't want a nice Spruce Beer at the end of a long day?
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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by WWII502 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:42 am

Steve Webb wrote:Here is a book you may enjoy. It's called how to feed an Army ISBN-13 978-0-06-089111-4 by J G Lewin and P J Huff. It has recipes from Revolutionary War through Iraqi Freedom and quanities for 100 and also for 10 with some for 60 down to 5. It's pretty interesting with a wide variety of things from beverages to mains and desserts. I mean who wouldn't want a nice Spruce Beer at the end of a long day?
I actually ordered that book a few weeks back. It's on my shelf I just haven't had time to thumb through it, I will have to move it up on my reading list. Thank you.

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by WWII502 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:35 am

So I am in the middle of my event and things have been interesting. My two burner medical style stove was leaking so I couldn't use it. The 20 man stove was slow going and was clogged but is running fine now. I had a steel plate of stainless cut like mentioned in the beginning of this thread. I couldn't snap the top section down but that wasn't the biggest issue. The stainless warped before I event had time to heat up a pan to brown stew meat. The stove isn't sealing right as a result and has been a pain since the surface isn't level. I obviously need a new plate. Any suggestions? I did the 3/16" thick and 17"X19.5". Please help. Thank god steveo was here to save the day with his two burner stoves.

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Post by Mark in Tucson » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:18 pm

Sounds like you are at Weldon.
Have fun!
Take some photos too!

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Post by pintelhook11over » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:50 pm

All-right! Sounds like a true field Operations!!!

Use all your resources...Good old "Murphy's Law" is in effect, if anything can go wrong it will!!!

I used "Mild Hot Rolled Steel", the cheap stuff because I didn't know if the technique was going to work. I have slight warping , but if I would have gone to the 1/4 the upper wind shield would have not snapped down. When I snap the upper shield down it is very tight, It also slightly "bows outward" on the side without the flip down door due to the thermal expansion. The 19 X 17 plate seems to seal enough to get a good draft through the lower hot box. The area closest to the burner will glow meium- bright Orange due to the High heat output of the burner...that thing can put out some Heat! I get a little "Blow-By" from the Hot to Warm side, I can see this by the soot on the underside of the plate when I flip it over when I break down the stove.

The pans will need to be moved around/changed locations to keep from burning or over cooking items. Also, if you pull of the top cover it can reduce over all temp of the stove to slow heat production and cooking temps. I put a small oven thermometer onto the surface of the plate to see how hot the plate would get.

The "Hot" side by the burner was at: 450 degrees F
The "warm side" by the exaust was at: 300 degrees F

These values were obtained at the center of the air flow channel areas, not at the beginning or end of the draft. I would guest-tim-ate the glowing red spot would be like 450-500 degrees F and the area closest to the exaust pipe would be 300-250 degrees F.

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Post by pintelhook11over » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:09 pm

Refer to these for wisdom and knowledge...See rule Number 55.

http://www.military-quotes.com/murphy.htm
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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by steevo » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:54 pm

Yes, WWII502 and myself (steevo) were at Weldon this weekend. It was a great time, a little cold, windy and wet, but still a lot of fun. We did have a few problems as described so it took a little longer to cook up the meals, but they were worth it. We'll both be at Jefferson Barracks next month cooking for even more guys. We did good together WWII502 and will do it again.

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by Mark in Tucson » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:23 pm

Steevo & WWII502,
We had low 90's here this weekend. Windy, cold and wet sounds kind of nice.
Good luck at Jefferson Barracks. You should have the gremlins out of the gear by then.
My field mess is in 3 weeks. Coleman 2 burners and maybe a 3 burner.

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by WWII502 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:58 am

Steve I agree 100% I am going to post a longer message this evening after work. I want to iron stuff out by Jefferson barracks.

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by WWII502 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:43 am

Let's talk stoves...

Okay so for the steel plate I am think I can get it straightened out. I was then going to have some holes drilled into it to maybe help with additional warping??? Steve said the plates that came with his stove had holes in it so maybe that is the key? I know on the army training video the plates looked like they were perforated but hard to say on a film that old. Steve any way we could get a picture of that original plate? The other issue is I had them do a 3/16" thick plate like what was mentioned in this thread and I was unable to clip my upper half. It's no problem I think, I will just use a grinder and thin the edges so it will clip. Otherwise I think that will solve the small detachment issues. The 2 burner Coleman stove is another story I haven't tested it since the event to see the leak so I will post about that later.

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by WWII502 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:44 am

steevo wrote:Yes, WWII502 and myself (steevo) were at Weldon this weekend. It was a great time, a little cold, windy and wet, but still a lot of fun. We did have a few problems as described so it took a little longer to cook up the meals, but they were worth it. We'll both be at Jefferson Barracks next month cooking for even more guys. We did good together WWII502 and will do it again.

Steve I look forward to many more mess ops with you. You were an amazing help and an great wealth of knowledge. Thank you again.

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by steevo » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:53 am

Mark in Tucson wrote:Steevo & WWII502,
We had low 90's here this weekend. Windy, cold and wet sounds kind of nice.
Good luck at Jefferson Barracks. You should have the gremlins out of the gear by then.
My field mess is in 3 weeks. Coleman 2 burners and maybe a 3 burner.
Here is typical St.Louis weather, past 3 days perfect spring, sunny in the 50's, everything is blooming. Tomorrow, major thunderstorms with high winds. Anyhow, yesterday I did a routine maintenance on all of my stoves and burners. Found no problems. It sounds like you will be having a few flames going, don't forget the wind shields and 3 in 1 oil for the pumps. Have a great time!

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by steevo » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:16 am

pintelhook11over wrote:Refer to these for wisdom and knowledge...See rule Number 55.

http://www.military-quotes.com/murphy.htm
Murphy's Law! How true it is. Thanks for starting this "thread", it is a great source of knowledge and entertainment. The pics are great too, having a visual really helps. My son and his family have been transferred to somewhere close to San Diego ( he is in the Navy). We will eventually be taking a trip out to see them. If it coordinates with an event your attending, I may have to stop by and try a cup of joe.

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Re: MESS OPERATION IN FIELD (ref. TM 10-405/ TM 10-406)

Post by WWII502 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:36 am

I'm trying to add pics from last weekend and I know Steve had the same problem. It keeps saying the file is too large any suggestions?


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