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importing a machine gun mount

Post by RCASSIN » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:45 am

Hi all,
Can I import a Trolley mount m20 from France. Has this also been deemed illegal? Thanks, Rob
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Re: importing a machine gun mount

Post by bharr » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:01 pm

You may want to be wary of importing unless readers have prior history. Money sent overseas is not easily retrieved!!!!
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Post by Radtech » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:25 pm

As far as I know vintage gun mounts are not banned from import.

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Post by Urban Camo » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:16 pm

importing a mount is no problem. Who are you getting it from
Is his name John ?
John (Master22nl) over on the 1919 board is a good guy to deal with.
I believe however he is in Belgium or the Netherlands .
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Post by dantheman » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:22 pm

Urban Camo wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:16 pm
importing a mount is no problem. Who are you getting it from
Is his name John ?
John (Master22nl) over on the 1919 board is a good guy to deal with.
I believe however he is in Belgium or the Netherlands .
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I’ll second that, I’ve ordered several items from him and they’ve all been top notch. He has some pretty hard to find things, too.
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Post by W. Winget » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:17 am

Sure looks like a "Barn Hay Transport Dolly " to me.
I bet there's some out there being used for that purpose too.
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Re: importing a machine gun mount

Post by David_4x4 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:18 am

They still come in. Just not as what may be listed on the customs form.
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Post by AZ Jeff » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:41 am

Amen...

When properly classified (a ten digit commodity ID number) it will most likely draw scrutiny. Misclassified -- intentionally or otherwise -- and risk seizure/forfeiture. There's a reason why so much of this stuff is still sitting in Europa...

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Post by W. Winget » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:07 am

US Mail would not send a "Compass" back from Afghanistan.
Their logic is that the plane navigation could be effected by the magnetic deviation.

Now I did not argue that 64 Paratroopers equipped with pocket compasses make it to the drop zone without fail or concern for decades, etc....or that GPS navigation is satellite and radio waves, not magnetic position sensing.... :shock: )

Re-listed as a "Pocket Transit" there was no issue mailing it. :roll:

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PS: Mailed back a tripod, just labeled it as such, it's full name :?: would have been something like Soviet Recoiless rocket mount or AA MG Mount, still not sure as it's an oddball, US Customs and US post office had zero issue with it, it doesn't fire anything. WAW
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Re: importing a machine gun mount

Post by 917601 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:38 pm

A few years ago I tried to bring in 20 1917 US MG belt loaders. It was confiscated, I then hired Keuhn and Nagel Shipping Agents for importation, they had to file a special form, " instrument of war" , from memory. They finally got them released. If importing, use a well known shipper to handle the paperwork.

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Re: importing a machine gun mount

Post by AZ Jeff » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 pm

Chapter 93 of the Harmonized Tariff Code of the United States (the reference listing import classification numbers)...

Heading 9305 -- includes ... parts for military weapons, e.g., liners (tubes for barrels), recoil mechanisms and breeches for guns of all kinds; turrets, carriages, tripods and other special mountings for guns, machine‑guns, sub‑machine‑guns, etc., whether or not with aiming and loading mechanisms.

Arguing that "something doesn't shoot" (etc.) and therefore shouldn't be considered a military weapon/accessory is moot. If it's classified in an arms provision that's where it goes as far as Customs is concerned.

As suggested, if you're doing this stuff commercially (or importing these goods at a value that triggers commercial consideration), go through a licensed Custom House Broker.

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Re: importing a machine gun mount

Post by bharr » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:51 pm

If I am correct, you need a M30 trolley for your scout car. If I'm not, I'm sure someone will correct me.........
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Post by W. Winget » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:56 am

AZ Jeff wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 pm
Chapter 93 of the Harmonized Tariff Code of the United States (the reference listing import classification numbers)...

Heading 9305 -- includes ... parts for military weapons, e.g., liners (tubes for barrels), recoil mechanisms and breeches for guns of all kinds; turrets, carriages, tripods and other special mountings for guns, machine‑guns, sub‑machine‑guns, etc., whether or not with aiming and loading mechanisms.

Arguing that "something doesn't shoot" (etc.) and therefore shouldn't be considered a military weapon/accessory is moot. If it's classified in an arms provision that's where it goes as far as Customs is concerned.

As suggested, if you're doing this stuff commercially (or importing these goods at a value that triggers commercial consideration), go through a licensed Custom House Broker.

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Next time I find myself in a Combat Zone and in need of clarification I will attempt to scour every regulation published by every regulatory agency of the U.S. (especially in higher chapters like 93...sub para 9305...) as I wait in the lobby of the post office mailroom without a computer..... :roll:
I do think agree anyone contemplating importing things for a business or high value should use a middle agency, but as to currency of Heading 9305 out of Chapter 93, they can come over and join me next time while showing me the regs......

But NONE of that regulation makes sense when we were authorized and did ship home weapons and accessories (Bayonets) bought in the Bazaar (not automatics) on the FOB so what's the point? US Customs and US Postal are not compliying with the "Harmonized Tariff Code" ? :shock:
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Re: importing a machine gun mount

Post by master22nl » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:35 pm

there,s nothing wrong with shipping a metal support overseas from europe to the US
together with the US our country is a so called friendly nation
iff i would be living in the far east it might had been differant, but i,m not.....
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Re: importing a machine gun mount

Post by RCASSIN » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:16 pm

Just to let you guys know that my mount did make it here. I also know that there is a very good chance that customs did not get involved because there is just too many things coming in to check everything!
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