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5 ton semi WWII - need help

Post by acmack » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:44 pm

I found a 5 ton WWII semi trailer Model 516 in Arizona and just had it delivered to my yard on the East coast.
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A couple of things look non-original. I'm looking for help with determining if the rear axle and pintle hook are correct originals or have been swapped out. The leaf spring shackles look messed with too including the helper springs.
Here's a photo the rear axle. What do you think?

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The springs - notice how these spring hangers are welded on not riveted and that the rivet holes on the frame our not in line with the welded on ones. The springs are too heavy looking for only a 5 ton cap. My 3 1/2 ton semi has one small set yet this trailer has only 1 1/2 tons more capacity and 3 times the spring stack.
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And finally the pintle hook looks like a modern doubles/triples bump and hook style particularly with the recessed set up it has. What do you think?
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Post by acmack » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:47 pm

BTW I know the 1100x20 rubber is wrong and will swap out for 900x20's and I know it's missing most of the landing gear. I do have another set of legs and landing wheels to put on but I need a screw hoist (the early style that hangs horizontally under the frame).
Any help in finding one would be appreciated!

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Post by acmack » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:14 pm

The data plate for my 5 ton shows it was built by Trailmobile with a 45' date of delivery...can't read the month.

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Post by acmack » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:34 pm

If anyone has a copy of TM 9-890 Semitrailer, 5-Ton Payload, 8-Ton Gross, 2-Wheel (2dt) Stake and Platform, would they be willing to scan a copy of the rear axle and post it here?

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Post by Prop Trailer » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:42 am

Like to see a better picture of your pulling machine............

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Post by acmack » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:42 pm

A couple of people have asked now about the tractor - it's a White WC 22 PLT which is the civvy model name that the military also uses for it's designation. It's powered by a Mustang gas motor with a 5 spd main and an electric 2 spd split rear which a post military service trucking company changed to manual. It is a purely off the shelf civilian model which the military bought in some numbers and painted O.D. on the outside only. It retained it's factory gloss gray interior paint.
It never had black out lights or gas can holders and that kind of stuff added to it when in service.
It has no military data plates I could find just the civvy factory plates.
I removed the bumper to do some work on it.
The sheet metal is absolutely rust free due to spending it's entire life in Arizona.
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Original markings:
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Post by acmack » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:11 pm

Any chance TMP means Toole Motor Pool and 922 being it's vehicle number?

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Post by Joe Gopan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:43 am

"TMP" - Transportation Motor Pool, it is the main Post Motor Pool that has all the Staff Cars, and Commercial and Tactical Vehicles that are drawn for misc use. The TMP at Ft Dix when I was in basic had the 1-1/2 Ton Commercials that we used to haul chow for the basic trainees in the field. White WC-22 is a good find and a fun truck to drive, Army, Navy and USAF bases had plenty of these available to haul Quartermaster Laundry, QM Bakery, and Aircraft Refueling Trailers, plus anything else that would match up to the truck. They had sort of a split manifold set up into a single muffler with a White engine similar to the Half Track. They were a familiar sound at their military bases and with an aircraft like exhaust sound. A fun vehicle in itself. I would enjoy having just a WC-22 to beat around town in.
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Post by acmack » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:14 am

Thanks Joel for sorting that out....so what do you think the UGD stands for?
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Post by Joe Gopan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:17 am

UGD is a Quartermaster Depot, Utah General Depot. :wink:
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Post by acmack » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 am

Thanks for info Joel!

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Re: 5 ton semi WWII - need help

Post by Joe Gopan » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:51 pm

I can't promise, but I do have a misc trailer SNL or two that surfaces every once and a while. Try matching the Tire size on yours with that listed in the TM9-2800, it might give you a hint, and there might be enough of the springs in the TM illustration to give you a hint.
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Post by acmack » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:06 am

I did finally get a copy of the manual and it shows the springs are original but have been moved out of their original positions. The spring hangar brackets were moved and welded in a little forward of their original positions to fit a newer, heavier duty axle with larger wheels.

I have looked it over and realize I can cut the welds and bolt the spring hangers back into their original holes. I'll also replace the 1100's with 900 x 20's.

I need to locate narrower 10 lug rims that accomodate 900's. Current rims are too wide as they are meant for 1100's.

I would also like to find an original style round Timkem axle but they had a habit of bending and warping which may be why the original was replaced.
I betcha' the Timkens bending may be due to military overloading or off-road travel which can obviously put excessive stress on the axle ends.
These trailers were essentially civilian models with no real changes made to make them off-road worthy.

The manual did show the pintle hook is not correct. I may have a correct one in my collection of parts.

BTW I am still looking for a copy of the tractor TM.

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Re: 5 ton semi WWII - need help

Post by Joe Gopan » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:00 pm

You may want to go the Civilian manual route to get started, I checked out the WC-22 in my 1952 dated TM9-2800 and it is listed as a special purpose vehicle. No G-Numbers. There may be a USAF T.O. (Technical Order) for this truck. I do not have a list of T.O's.
Try Classicwhitetrucks.com. I used to find rare 1920's Oliver parts for a gentleman who was a White Truck historian in Ohio whose family founded Oliver Tractor which had ties to White. He had a Crew Cab WC-22. His name may have been Hikel. It's been 25 years and I have no record now. Jerry Biro may be able to help.
I never saw a GI WC-22 that did not have "Dayton" (Spoked) wheels, they all seemed to have "Budd" (Solid) wheels.
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