G-527 faucet box prototypes

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G-527 faucet box prototypes

Post by pintelhook11over » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:38 pm

Hello, just checking to see if anyone Is interested in WWII Water trailer faucet boxes that are almost always missing off these trailers. I am "Reverse-Engineering" the boxes through an ORD 9, photo's of other trailers and physical measurements of my trailer. Any assistance with Confirmed measurements taken from an existing trailer would be greatly appreciated. Thus far the Prototype "Closed" Box dimentions are - 8 in. tall, 8 in. wide and 20 in. long. As we speak a Metal Fab shop is working up a Quote for the pieces to be made, these boxes are left and right side specific, so I am going to make two "Blanks" that are symetrical then further develop them properly to make them correct with tabs, braces, chains and clips. This is an pending project so I will add SPOT reports as they become available. If nobody is interested I will just make one set and document the process for possible future re-manufacture...http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/showgal ... puser=1264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: G-527 faucet box prototypes

Post by retro-roco » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:43 am

pintelhook11over,

Keep me in the loop regarding your faucet box project. I have purchased a Ben Hur water trailer that I believe is missing its boxes too.
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Post by pintelhook11over » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:01 pm

Rodger That...Went to speak with him today (Kern Metal Fab. Riverside, CA) after work and he is quoting me $119.00 each side $238.00 for 4 pieces total for Left and Right. They have yet to be bent-up still, he said he'll try to have the done by friday.
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Post by pintelhook11over » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:24 pm

Pintelhook11over reporting in....A few more photos of the progressing water boxes on the G-527. http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/showgal ... puser=1264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by retro-roco » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:31 pm

So what is the status of the boxes? is he going to make up some sets, or was this a "onoe off" project? I'm interested if he is making them...
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Post by pintelhook11over » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:56 pm

As of now it is a "one-off" thing, but it can be reproduced again. More people have "Cargo's" than water trailers, the boxes were made with basic estimated dimentions, the metal shop bent up the boxes, I drilled the small holes with a hand drill and used a drill press w/ hole saws for the big holes and then had a buddy at work weld on the pre-made tabs onto the box. Finally I shot some paint on and did a mock-up assembly but I still haven't installed the "piping" onto the trailer because I have yet to get some Water valves...But I have a lead from http://www.Arrowheadbrass.com..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I haven't permenantly installed mine so the metal shop could make another set pretty easy since thay are not the old cardboard prototypes anymore.ImageImage
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Post by pintelhook11over » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:32 pm

I have my old "card-stock" prototypes if anyone needs some as a starting point for their trailer projects.Image
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Re: G-527 faucet box prototypes

Post by pintelhook11over » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:53 pm

Thrirsty anyone? Remember the three "B's" Beans, Bullets, Band-aids...I would say this falls into the Beans catagory. A human can live without food for weeks but only days without water!

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Re: G-527 faucet box prototypes

Post by Matt A. » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:00 pm

I am restoring my water trailer and Sgt Hancock told me about your project. Your trailer looks great! I have been looking at Arrowhead as well for faucets. I found the 1/2 inch but could not find the 1 inch. Did you find a 1 inch or did you go with the 3/4 inch and just get an adapter to reduce it?

Here is the 1/2 I found
301SCPE Std Hose Bibb 1/2in MIP x 3/4in Plain End Connection S.S.S.- Self-Closing 0.780 $44.41

and here is the link
http://www.arrowheadbrass.com/op_champa ... /0/0/0/0/0

Also what gauge steel did you use to make the faucet covers

Here is a link to my water trailer
http://www.509thgeronimo.org/WaterTrailer_000.htm
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Post by pintelhook11over » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:04 pm

I had the metal shop use 1/8th mild steel for the metal water boxes, unfortunately those "original" faucets are scarce...I've only seen one 1/2 in. original sell on e-bay in aprox. two years. I ended up using the Ord G527 manual to find the dimentions of the galvanized piping and went to the local hardware stores to acquire the parts. The hardest pipe fitting I had finding was the "T" that connect from the tank to the piping 1"x1.250"x1". As for the Arrowhead-Champion valves they I guess they have to be sold from an authorized dealer...I found one close to my house.I found they had 2-301SC's and bought them. Next I had to wait for a batch of valves to be made because their whole 800 pc. stock in Los Angeles went to Haiti after the "earthquake", once the new ones were made I ordered 4-302SCPE's (3/4 in. inlet), but I should have ordered more 301SCPE's (1/2 in. inlet). I bushed the "tee's" smaller for the 1" positions down to 1/2 and installed the 301SC (ones with Garden hose therads on outlet)in so I could attach a garden hose and have somewhat of a "remote" water delivery capability. As for the other four positions I had to purchase new 3/4 elbows and tee's because I told the parts vendor to order the 302SCPE (3/4 inlet) when the piping I previously installed was already 1/2 inch galvanized pipe thread when I could have used valves with 1/2 inch M.I.P, the difference between the SC and SCPE is one is threaded and one is still "thick" brass on the end that still needs to be threaded. I was hoping they were small enough diameter to fit in a canteen neck but this is not the case.
Is your trailer a "Checker" cab model or maybe an actual "Ben-Hur" I stumbled across some production figures on these trailers on CCKW.org and If the figures are correct, there were only 19,946 trailers made from 1941 to 1945. So It nice to know someone else has a trailer their working on too! I'm glad you still have your hand-pump cause those are hard to find now-a-days!

Oh, and the hinges I found are almost an exact match for "Screen door" hinges I got at Home Depot, they were aprox. $15.00 for the three kits (6 hinges)

Unfortunately I haven't yet found anyone who makes a modern replacement "self-closing 1" valves...you'll have to keep hunting, but if I find something I'll post it.

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Re: G-527 faucet box prototypes

Post by Matt A. » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:36 pm

Thanks for the reply. I do not know if mine is a Ben Hur or Checker. There was no data plate on it when I got it. Is there any way to tell the difference?

What are you doing for the rack and 25' suction hose and strainer?
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Re: G-527 faucet box prototypes

Post by pintelhook11over » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:45 pm

Well, I have yet to see a Early war Water Trailer out here on the West Coast...matter of fact I haven't seen another trailer in person at all since I got mine about 2-3 years ago, I've seen quite a few pictures though. If your data plates are gone I know of no other way to I.d. them other that if it is a steel (41-43) or aluminum (44-45) trailers. I don't know if more trailers were made after the war. The only markings I found on my trailer other than my Data plate was a "Flaming" ordinance bomb stamped on the top of the flat surface of the axle itself, which I didn't see untill I sandblasted the axle. My Aluminum tank is "open" inside w/o baffles and to my knowledge the Steel ones were baffled inside to fight "sloshing" the water around, but then the inside could not be serviced/cleaned properly. A Military vehicle book I have said the steel ones had some kind of "Bituastic" sealer inside which I presume was a coating that peeled of after a while... as for the hose rack, I found some good photos of a "Checker Cab" model that was on a website http://www.armycarsusa.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that had alot of pictures of a wooden rack but It was a steel trailer like yours (unfortunately trailer photos are gone from the site) . After I made mine with help from my Father-in-law and his wood working stuff, measuring, marking, cutting and swearin' I had a prototype that I was satisfied with, then some one sent me some photos with a rack that was metal! I would have liked to make one out of metal first, but oh well... The hose I can get at my work, but any industrial/commercial hose shop should be able to get the 1.5 inch hose. I don't have the hose adapter to the pump or the strainer...I'm gonna have to experiment and make a strainer on a Lathe.


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I'm gonna have to see if I can transfer the "rack" photos (Metal and wood) to my picture account and post them here also...

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Both of these trailers had steel tanks, but I don't know which is correct for your application or mine either...
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Post by pintelhook11over » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:30 pm

The Gentleman that sent me photos was wanting to sell his trailer a few months ago, I don't know if you are in the market for one, but it did have two "1 inch" valves on it but the other four were missing...dang nabbit.ImageImage

Let me know if you want to contact him and I will see if he feels comfortable forwarding his contact info and still wants to sell it, although we didn't discuss a price. He may not have it anymore...I can't afford new NDT 7.50x20 tires for mine right now, let alone a second trailer, but I told him I would pass the word about it...
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Re: G-527 faucet box prototypes

Post by Matt A. » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:55 pm

I would be interested
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Post by pintelhook11over » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:47 pm

O.k., I'll attempt to contact him and see what the status is with the trailer...
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