Value of 37mm breechring?

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Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Scott Hubbard » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:21 am

I have a live registered but sawcut (underside) 37mm ring, complete. If the carriage sells the ring will be posted here first.
It will be a Form 4 transaction.
Anyone have a solid datapoint for what these recent market value is?

I'm not taking offers and not soliciting them - I won't know if it's available until mid January.
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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by pdqf » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:49 am

The 75mm Rings Value for $12,000.00 + $15,000.00. So a 37mm ring should be $10,000.00 + up . PDQF

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by tranham » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:44 am

IMO less since saw cut. Anybody can form 1 a DD so not really much value in it being registered. People won't want to shoot live with a repaired ring. $5-6000 I think

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by DDTrustee » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:27 pm

RIng uncut $4500-5500 block $1000 more with all the internals (extractors, sear, firing pin, carrier and spring, end cap) cut ring? blank shooting only $3000
75 and 57mm rings are harder to find, therefore more expensive....not a good comparison for pricing.
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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by nirvana » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:52 pm

I lean towards the lower end of the numbers tossed out here. A cut breach ring is just bad ju-ju. Unless its for blank firing, or subcaliber stuff, it really isn't useful in a functional sense. I guess an enterprising soul could try welding on it, but the possibility of micro-cracks scares me a bit more than a simple cut.

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Scott Hubbard » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:14 pm

It's a clean saw or mill cut, 1/2" wide, ring part of the assembly only.

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by tranham » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:52 pm

Someone could fix it but I would not want to shoot it live. You could have it fixed right and then run several live rounds through it followed by a proof round. This documented would increase the value but never close to uncut status. Plus the fear of someone shooting an incorrect load and causing a failure that could be blamed on you?

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Scott Hubbard » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:55 pm

tranham wrote:Someone could fix it but I would not want to shoot it live. You could have it fixed right and then run several live rounds through it followed by a proof round. This documented would increase the value but never close to uncut status. Plus the fear of someone shooting an incorrect load and causing a failure that could be blamed on you?
Yeah, I guess all I can do with it is send it to the recycling center.
Crap.
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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Packhow75 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:45 am

Scott Hubbard wrote:
tranham wrote:Someone could fix it but I would not want to shoot it live. You could have it fixed right and then run several live rounds through it followed by a proof round. This documented would increase the value but never close to uncut status. Plus the fear of someone shooting an incorrect load and causing a failure that could be blamed on you?
Yeah, I guess all I can do with it is send it to the recycling center.
Crap.
Can probably be repaired to blank fire status for saluting, failing that would be nice for someone's restoration as non-shooter.

Interested by the 75mm ring values... I have a "spare" live 75mm Pack Howitzer ring... but alas am in the United Kingdom - so I guess no use to anyone over there!

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Scott Hubbard » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:44 am

Packhow75 wrote:
Can probably be repaired to blank fire status for saluting, failing that would be nice for someone's restoration as non-shooter.

Interested by the 75mm ring values... I have a "spare" live 75mm Pack Howitzer ring... but alas am in the United Kingdom - so I guess no use to anyone over there!

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It works perfectly fine for blanks as is, which is how it would be described if available FS.

I've fired several hundred blackpowder rounds with .50 bmg primers in 37mm cases. Absolutely no danger concern or issues for that. Projectiles are a different story.

I had concerns about registering it but the fact of the matter is that there is no doubt it would function with projectiles for at least one round. At least. Probably a lot more given the ring is only partially cut. But as such, I felt exposed to a logical BATF concern and opted to register purely for self defense. The next owner more than likely would reach the same conclusion.

Thanks for everyone's insight.
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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by DDTrustee » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:06 am

I have seen the same cut on several other rings BUT the cut was only through the FIRST of the Acme threads (maybe an inch long or so into the threaded area) and not all the way through all the Acme threads as shown in this picture. There are several shooters out there shooting their rings with just the first thread cut.....with reduced loads the one thread cut is not likely an issue. No reason to shoot full power military loads in these old guns anyway. :shock:

Problem with welding that is matching the type of welding rod to the ring steel type and then heat treating to remove the stresses caused by the differential heating along the weld lines and from the machining to recut the Acme threads. Best left alone.

Like someone else said - will make a great salute gun with black powder :mrgreen:
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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Rascle » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:12 am

I would be interested in it if the price is right in the picture it shows breechblock as well as all of it there or the just the breach ring

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Scott Hubbard » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:25 am

If available the ring will come with a complete block with all the parts, including extractors.
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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Scott Hubbard » Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:48 am

Carriage sold; ring and related blank items posted separately.

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Re: Value of 37mm breechring?

Post by Rascle » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:19 am

Where is it listed and how much


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