Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

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Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by dogtags » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:22 pm

Could you please take a moment, view these pictures and let me know if you think this is a F-3 or an L-2 airfield service truck.

All pictures can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rlb_photog ... 671430322/

My guess is that it is a L-2 due to the vessel between the cab and tank taking up space that could be used for the other 90 gallons.

Thank you for your time!

~Robert

PS - I will also be posting these on cckw.org and steelsoldiers


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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by Joe Gopan » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:28 pm

Separator.
This is just the truck I need to round off my collection.
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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by dogtags » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:34 pm

Is the vessel between the cab the separator? What does it separate?

Trying not to ask too many questions but your post was a bit cryptic. :)

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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by Joe Gopan » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:35 pm

Water from the fuel.
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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by dogtags » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:39 pm

Gotcha.

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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by Joe Gopan » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:53 pm

Thought you would. :wink:
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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by j506 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:01 pm

To my knowledge.... a quick spotting feature is.the L2s have an extra pipe ( 2 inch IIRC ) running on the tank exterior and terminating near the top center rear.....if the pipe is missing the support brackets usually survive.
Otherwise it's probably an F3.
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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by Cat Man » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:33 pm

Rob,

I think this truck is the F-3 750 Gallon Refueling type (F = Fuel). The sheet metal on the right side cabinet behind the cab is taller. The The 600 Gallon L-2 (L for Lube oil) version had a different set up on the right that was the same profile height on both sides of the truck. That's the only way I can see to tell them apart.

I can tell you more about the D-7 Cat that I was running in the field next to the CCKW's when you took these pictures.

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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by dogtags » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:59 pm

Cat Man wrote:Rob,

I think this truck is the F-3 750 Gallon Refueling type (F = Fuel). The sheet metal on the right side cabinet behind the cab is taller. The The 600 Gallon L-2 (L for Lube oil) version had a different set up on the right that was the same profile height on both sides of the truck. That's the only way I can see to tell them apart.

I can tell you more about the D-7 Cat that I was running in the field next to the CCKW's when you took these pictures.

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From further research I've done on different forums and crawling the 'net, it looks like it is going to be the L-2.

Differences appear to be:
2" pipe running to the rear of the truck (found on L-2 only)
steps on back of truck (recessed vs. the attached style on this truck)

Looking at the pictures in TM 9-2800, they look the same, with no noticeable cabinet height difference. See:
http://cckw.org/fueloil6601.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://cckw.org/fueloil7501.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll give you a call about the D-7 either Thursday or Friday.

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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by Joe Gopan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:08 am

The specifics of the F-3 and L-2 Airfield Lubrication/RefuelingTanker can be found in the T.O. (Tech Order) for that particular vehicle. T.O. 19-25-34 and T.O. 19-25-47. These trucks were issued to Army Air Force Specification when so equipped. :wink:
I would be glad to purchase Copies of these two T.O.'s as my own are misplaced.
The two photos in TM9-2800 are of thesame truck, they both have the same USA No.
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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by dogtags » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:43 am

Ben Dover wrote:The specifics of the F-3 and L-2 Airfield Lubrication/RefuelingTanker can be found in the T.O. (Tech Order) for that particular vehicle. T.O. 19-25-34 and T.O. 19-25-47. These trucks were issued to Army Air Force Specification when so equipped. :wink:
I would be glad to purchase Copies of these two T.O.'s as my own are misplaced.
The two photos in TM9-2800 are of thesame truck, they both have the same USA No.
Those two T.O.'s seem to be the Holy Grail of the CCKW world. I see many other people are looking for them as well.

~Robert

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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by j506 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:51 am

WOW you guys have really peaked my interest now :D
I have the remains of 2 tankers here in the yard an F3 and an L2, looks like I'm gonna have to hack away the vines and thorn bushes and see what details remain.
Thanks for that "note" on the right side cab difference , Jeff....that should be an easy spotting feature
On the inside of the pump compartments the details between the 2 abound
Both tanks are missing the seperator however
The F3 does have all the gages and valving in the hose reel compartments ( each side) items that I did not see in your posted photos....but other than the hose reel the "other" items are long gone from the L2 tank ( as is the bottom half of the right side compartment :( )
I suspect that several "mods" were done to these trucks in their service life ...and I wonder what really prevented ; ie an F3 to dispense lube oil as opposed to gasoline or visa-versa....the pump itself maybe????
Both tanks I have worked in the Fire Sevice post war...so other mods are most likely present.

And yes ,Robert " the Holy Grail" indeed

Hope this helps
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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by j506 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:01 am

Upon furthur investigating I believe I only have 2 F3s and not 1 of each
They both have the higher side compartment
They both have the added on rear steps
The 1 tank, I thought was an L2 ( due to the pipe brackets on the exterior ) may have been the remnants of Fire Service add ons
1 F3 tank still has it's original data plates ....and... it also has a cast steel bracket located on the forward end of the tank, just right of center with 2 vent pipes attached (remains only ) ....the second tank also has signs of the same arrangement
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This bracket and related piping is however not present on the vehicle in your photos

The piping and hose reel layout in the compartment of my F3 is completely different from the vehicle pictured as well.

Hope this additional info will be of some help

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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by weasel nut » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:38 am

John,

Have you finished the restoration yet?

Did you paint it flight line yellow? :D

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Re: Is this a F-3 or an L-2 CCKW?

Post by Joe Gopan » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:04 am

Loaded to the background music of the "6BT" in Johns' Dodge. One wonders what goes thru the mind of a person as they take a good look while their "prize" is being loaded.
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