I HAVE CCKW SINNED

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I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:18 pm

My 1st Series CCKW has a NOS Chevrolet 4X4 RH Fender, but does have a NOS 1st Series LH Fender.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by bradcckw » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:35 pm

what would the differance be? I was thinking of taking the ones off my 4x4 and using them on my cckw.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:08 am

Not enough to even worry about, they are esentially the same, CCKW has a reinforcing plate spot welded under the Radiator Guard holes. A serious CCKW restorer will not have a problem with it, just those "experts" who want to complain about everybody else's CCKW will rise to the issue. :wink:
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:44 am

I have a few more CCKW sins but am not worried as the truck will pass muster.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Chris T. » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:56 pm

Around here, I've found a lot more Chevy trucks with GMC fenders than the other way around. Maybe GMC fenders were the GI's preferred replacement fenders for the 1 1/2 tonners?
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:47 am

They are a direct interchange.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by chevy43 » Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:31 pm

The GMC fender is stronger but has rust issues where the wet mud packs under the brace....
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:39 pm

chevy43 wrote:The GMC fender is stronger but has rust issues where the wet mud packs under the brace....
Yes and no, it all depends on the care they have had, if rust prevention is done they can survive.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:10 pm

I installed a 1966 Dated GI Issue Muffler and 6 like new wheels from a 1942 Chev 4X4.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:46 am

And I am still sinning, it has an H-700 keyed Glove Box Lock in it now. And a Yellow Army "GOOD DRIVER" Decal on the dash, and a hundred other little CCKW parts that are NOS,and for later models and all in plain sight that I doubt anyone will ever discover.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by bobc » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:33 pm

still all of the above isn't nearly as bad as my open cab G-506 project!
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:42 am

I just discovered where the OEM Firestone GTB wheel went, it is on my CCKW.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Walter » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:21 am

Folks:

It always baffles me that we have these types of discussions. I spent four years in the USAF (71-75), in vehicle maintenance and spent 3 of those years working on M-series vehicles, 2 at Shaw AFB assigned to the 68 Tactical Air Support Group and one year at Koon-Ni Air to Ground Gunnery Range, ROK. It would never, ever, ever, have occurred to me to check out whether the fender was an early or a late series. Quite frankly we all were blissfully ignorant of all of those subtle differences and didn't give a proverbial rats but about it. It was as simple as - we have a mission to fly and a job to do.

When we went to the US Army bone yards and depots, especially at Ft Jackson to scrounge parts, if the part would fit, we took it and used it regardless of the make, year or its chronological position. When I was in Korea, the Range had an LCVP (Yea, that's right, a landing craft probably left over from WWII!) assigned to it to patrol the small island off of the coast we used to drop live ordnance on. Yes, the Air Force also had a sailor or boatman classification. Myron, our boat guy, would come to work every morning wearing a USN type of uniform-- light blue shirt and dark blue pants with USAF insignia and name plates on it. Though Myron was essentially responsible for the maintenance of the boat himself, we sometimes got involved as well.

At one point the bilge pump completely failed. As I recall it came apart in pieces. It was a belt driven affair off of the engine - very much original equipment and very probably left the factory attached to that engine as well. Bless me Father, as I am about to sin!

No where could we find one, either through official or unofficial channels. The d**n thing was slowly sinking without a bilge bump! After some additional searching and networking, we finally came across a bilge pump in Air Force inventory. Hooray! But it was not original equipment! Oh, what to do, what to do? Oh whoaa is me! In fact it was a 24 volt, electrically driven pump out of a Cadillac-Gage Armored Car the USAF used for patrol purposes. It was quickly ordered and procured, through channels, and was installed and wired in a matter of hours. UH-OH! But I didn't use original equipment, an immediate court martial and 20 lashes with a wet noodle soon followed -- Not! The boat didn't sink and the mission continued and was completed.

I do understand and appreciate the collective knowledge we all have developed and acquired in restoring and maintaining these wonderful beasts - what is early and what is not, etc. That is a great thing. It is also very fascinating to me to watch the particular evolution of a particular vehicle as it went through its production and service life. But the more important thing is to keep them running so their legacy lives on. Unless the vehicle is being restored or maintained to a factory class standard and is going to be turned into a hangar queen/museum piece, I think the more appropriate question would be: What would you expect the GI mechanics, especially in the field to either do to it or accept as having been done by a previous maintenance shop?

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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by Joe Gopan » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:51 am

I noticed over the years that the Air Force maintenance system was not friendly to the early M-series trucks of the 50's up. Quite a few M-35, M-108, M-246, M-37 and M-43 types went into disrepair sufficient to turn in for salvage in as little as two years. If a squadron had good mechanics and stock room personnel that understood the army supply system the vehicles fared a bit better. Here at Dow, the USAF got a little help from the Army Guard shop, and in some instances had permission to cannibalize salvage trucks at the Guard's support shop at State HQ. Dow also had full time civilian mechanics, one, Ray Earhardt was a WWII B-24 mechanic with the 43rd Bomb Group and was in charge of maintaining the new Post War USAF firetrucks and the new M-series trucks the USAF was receiving. He also worked for my family at our business across the street and shared a lot of tips about maintaining M-38 and other M-Series trucks.
The MARS unit at DOW was able to keep their G-506 Chevrolet Cargo and G-508 CCKW Radio Van running well into the 60's by having close ties to a local surplus dealer, both trucks served at Dow for at least a dozen years starting with its 1950 reactivation during the Korean War.

As a long time CCKW owner with lifetime ties to the surplus business I have been lucky enough to save up a stash of OEM parts to use on my own MV's over the past 50 years. It paid off quite a few times years ago when the Guard discovered it needed to borrow a part it did not have for a Jeep or 6X6 the night before summer camp.
Those days are long gone history now, but the excitement level from finding a new missing trinket is still as great.
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Re: I HAVE CCKW SINNED

Post by phillip.w.givens » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:06 pm

Walter

I have worked on fort sill for 10 years as a civilian mechanic and as a inspector and the if it fits and works still goes on today. A bunch of parts for the m211 fits the g506 Chevy and probably the g508 CCKW I have been going between the 2 parts books and if I cant find it under the Chevy part number I usually find it with the m211 part number but if your going for factory new that's wrong but if your going for the motor pool look it would be just fine and I am not looking for factory with my truck that would cost way to much.

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