64 CJ3B restoration

[Ben Dover]

I'll look up the Willys description of the the 600X16 Tires of the period. I am positive of the color having dealt with the colors of Army Commercial vehicles of the period. You should have plenty of traces of the original paint under bracketsn transmission, brake inspection covers, etc. Headlight bezels were chrome.

[jeepdan]

Thanks Ben, I did find what I thought at the time was gloss OD hiding under certain places on the body. Not sure of what I was seeing, I painted the jeep semi-gloss OD during the restoration.

[jeepdan]

Note the Liggett Springs (grooved), and later type CJ-3B Axles and Brakes.

Ben, can you elaborate more on the Liggett type springs? My 64 cj3b has more civilian looking spring sets with the silent block shackles. I suspect that my springs and axles may have been replaced. I also have 10" brakes.

[usmc20c]

During the tear down I noticed alot of gloss OD and the bezels are chrome

I'll look up the Willys description of the the 600X16 Tires of the period. I am positive of the color having dealt with the colors of Army Commercial vehicles of the period. You should have plenty of traces of the original paint under bracketsn transmission, brake inspection covers, etc. Headlight bezels were chrome.

[Ben Dover]

Note the Liggett Springs (grooved), and later type CJ-3B Axles and Brakes.

Ben, can you elaborate more on the Liggett type springs? My 64 cj3b has more civilian looking spring sets with the silent block shackles. I suspect that my springs and axles may have been replaced. I also have 10" brakes.

In late 56 Jeep went to silent bloc spring shackles which eliminated the threaded bushings in the spring shackle brackerts. Somewhere around late 1953 and possibly later on the M-38A1 Willlys switched spring suppliers from Mather to Liggett. The identifying feature of the Liggett Springs are the grooves on the bottoms of the leaves.

There was a change in brake size on the CJ3B and CJ-5 in the early 60s from 9" to 10" which used "Star" Adjusters instead of the familiar "Cam" Adjusters. You will note that the 10 " Brakes also used different Wheel Cylinders with angled ports for the hoses. Also note the the A-1488 "S" Tubes and Hose Guards were eliminated and replaced with 11" hoses that were attached to the Chassis. Your Springs and Axles are original to your late style CJ-3B.

[usmc20c]

I'm glad that my Jeep is original. It is 0213 April 10 2010 just felt another earthquake tremor - only lasted a couple seconds though. Geez these earthquakes have been getting more and more popular lately. Maybe California is gonna finally break off from the rest of the USA lol... Talking about original - The seats that were in the Jeep were a black vinyl like material. I'm wanting to go with the cloth seats instaed though either tan or OD. What do you guys think??? I think it would blend together better than having the black vinyl looking ones in there. Also, a couple springs in the seat are snapped so i'm just going to trash them, if anybody wants them let me know. I personally don't think they are salvagable but who knows, somebody else migth be able to do something with them...

Also, for the past couple days I have been sandblasting a few random small parts here and there and primering them. I will be sure to post some pictures up of the progress sometime today.

Still need some help trying to ID what unit this Jeep came from. If anybody knows a way to search by the registration number or the Jeep serial number that would be awesome OR if you can make out the right bumperette - I can use all the help I can get...

Note the Liggett Springs (grooved), and later type CJ-3B Axles and Brakes.

Ben, can you elaborate more on the Liggett type springs? My 64 cj3b has more civilian looking spring sets with the silent block shackles. I suspect that my springs and axles may have been replaced. I also have 10" brakes.

In late 56 Jeep went to silent bloc spring shackles which eliminated the threaded bushings in the spring shackle brackerts. Somewhere around late and possibly later on the M-38A1 Willlys switched spring suppliers from Mather to Liggett. The identifying feature of the Liggett Springs are the grooves on the bottoms of the leaves.

There was a change in brake size on the CJ3B and CJ-5 in the early 60s from 9" to 10" which used "Star" Adjusters instead of the familiar "Cam" Adjusters. You will note that the 10 " Brakes also used different Wheel Cylinders with angled ports for the hoses. Also note the the A-1488 "S" Tubes and Hose Guards were eliminated and replaced with 11" hoses that were attached to the Chassis. Your Springs and Axles are original to your late style CJ-3B.

[jeepdan]

Thanks Ben, once again for your knowledgeable insight. Dan Walton

[jeepdan]

to usmc20c, The black vinyl seats are correct for your 64 cj3b. I think that they look really good and compliment the other few black parts in the interior. I will try to get a good picture of my interior with seats and post it for you. Sandblast and repair your seat frames,with spring at all costs, they are hard to find. When restored to new condition the seats are very cushy, much better than an earlier military type seat. The black seats can get very hot though, ouch!
Your jeep's chassis, side steps, engine, and some other parts under the hood should be black also. I would advise not going over board with the OD Green.

[Ben Dover]

There is a good chance the floor behind the seats may have provisions for Seat Belts but I am not 100% positive. The late CJ-5's around that period were.

[jeepdan]

You are right Ben, my 64 had mounting pads with forged eyes screwed into them. Two were located on the floor and one on each rear wheel house between seat and outer quarter panel. I added three more in back for rear seat.

[usmc20c]

I know this sounds like a boot a** question but I was wondering what is the purpose of the lip on the bumperettes? When I got my 3B the lip was on the bottom making the top flush. I have seen in pubs and random photos posted this way, but i still see some jeep with them the other way around. Why would someone put them this way? Below is the link for the picture of a 3B with them in what I "think" is the wrong way...

http://www.lonestarecoart.com/jeep/v/Du ... e.jpg.html

[Rus Curtis]

Craig,
I'm no expert but it's my understanding that jeeps with tailgates had them mounted downwards so as not to interfere with the tailgate. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.

[Ben Dover]

I would trust the way they are installed on your CJ-3B. Remember it is a Civilian Jeep (CJ-3B) and not made to the Willys MD specification.

[usmc20c]

Got a question for you guys... How can I tell if my Jeep is 6 or 12 volts? I am wanting to convert to 12...

[JimP]

If it has the battery in it, how many cells does it have. If only 3, it is 6v. Does it have a generator or altenator. If generator, 6v if alternator, 12v.
Jimp