Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:24 pm

Lead washers are on the INSIDE...so put them on the screw, then insert the screw through the tub wall...then the reflector will fit FLAT against the tub as it should!
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Add the reflector...
Then the lockwasher and nut...
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by ShawnB » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:34 pm

Zeph,
Can we move this conversation so we’re not filling your thread?
I’m sure nobody wants my email vs yours, so I’ll put mine out there for you Lol
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by zepher11 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:10 pm

Chuck Lutz wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:24 pm
Lead washers are on the INSIDE...so put them on the screw, then insert the screw through the tub wall...then the reflector will fit FLAT against the tub as it should!

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Add the reflector...
Then the lockwasher and nut...
That's exactly how I did it on my MBT last weekend. Screw head with lead washer on the inside of the trailer bed with the lock washer and nut on the outside on top of the reflector. Note detail photo I posted above from the other day of the lock washers and nuts on the outside of the trailer on the reflector base.

I DID NOT install the screws like on the Bantam trailer Mr. Brass restored with the screw heads on the outside of the trailer on the reflector base with the lock washer and nuts on the inside. After reviewing, I decided to not do it like the Bantam trailer Mr. Brass restored. It just makes sense that the heads of the screws be on the inside. Not sure why Bantam didn't do it like Willys. Lot's of snagged cargo in a Bantam over the years I would suppose.
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by zepher11 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:12 pm

ShawnB wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:34 pm
Zeph,
Can we move this conversation so we’re not filling your thread?
I’m sure nobody wants my email vs yours, so I’ll put mine out there for you Lol
Shawn@biggarcorp.com

Thanks
Yes, no problem. I shoot you an e-mail...
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:26 am

Zeph....

Bantam did it EXACTLY the same as Willys did....nut/washer on the outside and flattened RH screw on the inside. If the nuts were on the inside, they could have used a hex head screw or standard RH on the outside.

However...you will find many depot or post-war overhauled Bantams and MBTs with hex head screws on the outside and nuts/washers on the inside.

They used the RH screws for a reason....so you didn't tear up cloth/cargo inside the bed. Less chance of that with them fitted heads inside. You didn't need the RH with the heads outside.
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by zepher11 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:15 pm

Chuck Lutz wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:26 am
Zeph....

Bantam did it EXACTLY the same as Willys did....nut/washer on the outside and flattened RH screw on the inside. If the nuts were on the inside, they could have used a hex head screw or standard RH on the outside.

However...you will find many depot or post-war overhauled Bantams and MBTs with hex head screws on the outside and nuts/washers on the inside.

They used the RH screws for a reason....so you didn't tear up cloth/cargo inside the bed. Less chance of that with them fitted heads inside. You didn't need the RH with the heads outside.
10-4. I had been using Jeep Draw for a reference, so I was originally assuming that this trailer was correct. But I figured it out before I installed, so I didn't follow Jeep Draw for my reflector installation in this instance:
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Post by zepher11 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:39 pm

Finally had time with the weather decent to blast the last few items for the MBT project. Was hoping to get them primed and painted, but not enough time in the day to do so. Maybe primer and paint next weekend if there isn't any rain:

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Post by 17thAirborne » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:40 pm

Getting real close. My converto is sitting under the awning waiting for the Dodge to be finished. As usual you are blazing a great trail to follow.
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by Raflad » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:46 pm

A couple of photos of a reflector on my unrestored MBT which I believe to be original installation. Excellent job on your restoration, definitely a hard act to follow! Incredible work.
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by zepher11 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:47 am

17thAirborne wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:40 pm
Getting real close. My converto is sitting under the awning waiting for the Dodge to be finished. As usual you are blazing a great trail to follow.
Thanks Oz. Looking forward to the Converto restoration. I have a bomb trailer and then my Ben Hur trailer in the queue. There is always a project lurking...
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A couple of photos of a reflector on my unrestored MBT which I believe to be original installation. Excellent job on your restoration, definitely a hard act to follow! Incredible work.
Thanks! Appreciate the kind comments. Those are great reference photos of the lead washers. Thanks for posting!
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:03 am

By the way....

Bantam did NOT use the lead washers to prevent leaks when fording, they used a material similar to window glazing putty which is what I used on my trailer. Lacking any instructions at the time, I installed the screw through the tub wall then rolled a glob of putty between my hands and wrapped it around the protruding threads on the outside. with both don like that, I placed the reflector bezel on the screw threads and added washers and nuts.

Any of the putty that was squeezed out I immediately removed.

I think the "roll" was about 4mm in circumference or so. Be sure it goes all the way around the threads.
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by zepher11 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:19 pm

Was going to wait two weeks before applying any stenciling, but couldn't wait any longer. I guess 12 days it will be. I will add the unit numbers to match the markings on my '42 GPW shortly:

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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by Greencom » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:57 pm

That is a thing of beauty! It looks factory fresh, you are a true craftsman.

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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by zepher11 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:05 pm

Greencom wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:57 pm
That is a thing of beauty! It looks factory fresh, you are a true craftsman.
Thank you!
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Re: Zeph's 1943 Willys MBT Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:01 pm

My trailer got two thick coats of Red Oxide and two more of 33070 and it took about 6-8 weeks to dry hard enough so you could not make a mark on the paint with your thumbnail.....and that was with much warmer weather than we at having now! After 6 mos/1 year it will completely cure and be tough to mess up even with the pintle hitch towing it.

Be careful for awhile!
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