Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lunettes
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Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lunettes
Just a few photos comparing WO A6370 marked and PSC BU43 marked lunettes.
A6370 doesn't appear to have been used. A-6370 on the left and PSC BU43 on the right.
A-6370 on the left and PSC BU43 on the right.
A-6370 on the left and PSC BU43 on the right.
PSC BU43 on the left and A-6370 on the right.
A6370 doesn't appear to have been used. A-6370 on the left and PSC BU43 on the right.
A-6370 on the left and PSC BU43 on the right.
A-6370 on the left and PSC BU43 on the right.
PSC BU43 on the left and A-6370 on the right.
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1943 - January | Willys MB "Skimpy" | Frame No. #203301
1943 - January | Willys MB-T | Serial No. 21488
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1943 - January | Willys MB-T | Serial No. 21488
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Re: Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lune
Sweet!
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Re: Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lune
To start with...the A-6370 marked one is obviously for the MBT. There is no record that one so marked was or wasn't used on any other mfger G-529. The PSC BU42 and PSC BU 43 show up on Bantams....and the Willys MBT. Obviously there is no PSC BU41 for the G-529 as they didn't make 'em in 1941. But I've never had a PSC BU44 or a PSC BU45 reported in my data base either and if you recall, Willys last production of the G-529s ends in March 1944 so they might very well have been a supplier to Willys as well.
Furthermore....the ones with "A-6370" have a number/letter suffix following the A-6470 such as "1B" or "2C" or "3B". There is often what I think is a foundry mark that proceeds the "A-6370" or follows the "2B" markings which is a larger serif-font letter at an angle.
As to the "841-3" markings, they show up as well...not many but a few.
The" QCD B43" marking has been reported on an MBT, a Bantam and a Checker Cab which didn't even get a CONTRACT until 1945.
However gentlemen....while we do find rebuild tags on the trailers from the 229th in Japan, or Pacific Builders for instance...so many trailers in my data base have the "wrong springs" or Willys shock/spring bottom plates on Bantams or vice versa...that I would not be surprised to learn that the Lunettes were mixed up as well.
So...while the A-6370 marking makes it easy for an MBT owner to know what lunette he needs it is possible they sourced them from other foundries...while it is more LIKELY that a Bantam owner would seek a PSC BU42 or BU43, there is nothing here to tell us what they used in 1944 or 1945....
Then there are lunettes with NO markings on them as well!
Good luck fellas!
Furthermore....the ones with "A-6370" have a number/letter suffix following the A-6470 such as "1B" or "2C" or "3B". There is often what I think is a foundry mark that proceeds the "A-6370" or follows the "2B" markings which is a larger serif-font letter at an angle.
As to the "841-3" markings, they show up as well...not many but a few.
The" QCD B43" marking has been reported on an MBT, a Bantam and a Checker Cab which didn't even get a CONTRACT until 1945.
However gentlemen....while we do find rebuild tags on the trailers from the 229th in Japan, or Pacific Builders for instance...so many trailers in my data base have the "wrong springs" or Willys shock/spring bottom plates on Bantams or vice versa...that I would not be surprised to learn that the Lunettes were mixed up as well.
So...while the A-6370 marking makes it easy for an MBT owner to know what lunette he needs it is possible they sourced them from other foundries...while it is more LIKELY that a Bantam owner would seek a PSC BU42 or BU43, there is nothing here to tell us what they used in 1944 or 1945....
Then there are lunettes with NO markings on them as well!
Good luck fellas!
Chuck Lutz
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Re: Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lune
Great info Chuck!
I noticed the threaded ends one is filled in and the other not
The one here seems to be a 3B as you reference.
Still can't track down the foundry mark on the WO lunette
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I noticed the threaded ends one is filled in and the other not
The one here seems to be a 3B as you reference.
Still can't track down the foundry mark on the WO lunette
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1943 - January | Willys MB-T | Serial No. 21488
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Re: Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lune
Willys would probably have contracted for that and many parts that were forged or cast from companies within a 200 mile radius...the same vendors they probably used to make the Americar. If you had a search engine that would seek only companies that did casting and forging in 1941 within that distance you might find it. Also a search of logos/mfgers marks from the 1930s may prove fruitful.
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Re: Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lune
Willys has the 5/16 60 degree hole in the end...
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Tapered holes either end are to center the unfinished Lunette for machining and grinding the two seats and for the threading operation...
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Re: Information: Visual Differences - A-6370 & PSC BU43 Lunettes
With regard to "PSC" marking:
I just recently discovered a reference to:
http://www.theshermantank.com/sherman/s ... ve-anyway/
Perhaps PSC stands for Pressed Steel Car a company that apparently manufactured Shermans during the war.
As far as the A-6370 stamped lunette, Ray contributed that the marking looks very much like those found on Dodge Weapon Carrier bolt heads.
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=282888&p=1678454#p1678454
I just recently discovered a reference to:
http://www.theshermantank.com/sherman/s ... ve-anyway/
Perhaps PSC stands for Pressed Steel Car a company that apparently manufactured Shermans during the war.
As far as the A-6370 stamped lunette, Ray contributed that the marking looks very much like those found on Dodge Weapon Carrier bolt heads.
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=282888&p=1678454#p1678454
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1943 - January | Willys MB "Skimpy" | Frame No. #203301
1943 - January | Willys MB-T | Serial No. 21488
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