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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby FJ.Janssen » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:36 am

Hello Alex,

I checked out that site, I never heard of it until last week somewhere, and they have a huge list with trailers listed!

The only thing I cannot find anywhere is, which brands did not use an ACM number on their trailers.
As the trailer has a lot of late war or early post war features it may be possible it is one of the scarce brands.
If not...it is post war produced.
Taking a look at all the parts, I don't feel it is a french made trailer.
There is not 1 metric bolt in it, but all others appear ( AA - A - TR20 - E C - EC - DpcD - F - etc )


Anyway I started cleaning parts...

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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby Chuck Lutz » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:40 pm

I may have osted this to you before but...generally the original drums on a trailer have no wear on them as they are not used as "brake" shoes but merely "hand break" shoes...this means it would be a good idea to save them for a brake overhaul on the front end of your jeep to get maximum stopping power....I got a set of used jeep drums that a shop refused (by law) to turn because they were worn past the safe limit.

Since that is of no issue to a hand brake, I cleaned 'em up, put in new bearings and they are on my trailer now....the practically in-worn ones from the trailer as sitting on a shelf in case my jeep needs a brake job and the shop can't turn those on it or they are a little far gone.
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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby FJ.Janssen » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:13 am

Hi Chuck, yes I have seen that tip before.
To be honest I don't know what the exact status of my front brake drums are, but it is definitely something I can check later on.

Some progress pictures.

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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby FJ.Janssen » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:42 am

Have most of the parts ready now to start on the tub soon.

Remaining before start on the tub.
- Spring packages which I will not take apart
- Landing leg
- Spring brackets

Fortunately up till now not a lot of new parts are required.
This trailer is apart from the floor (which is renewed) super solid, I had only 1!!! bolt breaking due to rust.

Futhermore found 1 more number.
Under the drawbar handles applied by the French, the ITM number has been discovered.
ITM number on the drawbar and on the frame are the same.

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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby FJ.Janssen » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:55 pm

Did some works on the tub.

During it's time in the French army, the original bottom was cut out, leaving 5cm around the tub.
On that 5cm they welded a 4mm or 5mm new steelplate.

I decided to cut this out first, to see how everything looked and make the tub more hand-able.
When the plate was out, I figured out that removing the remains would be the best way forward, as I can also fix up the sides as there probably would be rust in between the body and the bottom of the tub.

Some of the spotwelds already were loose, so I hope getting the rest out will not be the hardest part.
It seems that the bottom is fixed to the side of the tub using both spotwelds, and a weld along the whole lenght of the tub over the 2 plates...
A lot of work!!!

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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby Chuck Lutz » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:58 am

I believe I can see a "8" or a "3" on your gusset plate when I blew up your photo. I have no idea how to make anything stamped on the gusset plate any more visible though...
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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby FJ.Janssen » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:35 am

Hello Chuck,

Made another picture of it...but really don't see any stampings...

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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby Bill H. » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:47 am

It may very well be a Japanese copy. They do not have the ACM number. Look on the front frame rails just forward of the fender for a set of numbers and the Mitsubishi logo. They were produced shortly after the war. Chuck's trailer is a Japanese copy and it does not have an ACM number.

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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby Chuck Lutz » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:21 pm

The logo on them is a cherry blossom before and after the five or six digit number on the frame rail.
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Re: new ww2 (Bantam) 1/4Te trailer

Postby FJ.Janssen » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:47 am

hello

as mentioned before, there is no sign of a stamping (number + cherry blossom) on the left frame rails.
I checked the gussets in different shades of light, but also don't see any stamping unfortunately.

I did a walk around the trailer and only observed some other points which may shed some light.

You can see on the frame rails that the trailer had the original light brackets once:
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On the locations where the reflecters were, there the shape of the reflectors is visible.
This shape seems of the trimmed reflectors.
I have gone through some posts, and there is not a 100% clear answer on this.
But could it be possible that when the trailer is really late war or early post was, that they mounted the trimmed reflectors?

I hope this is visible with the large pictures...

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