Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:53 am

Old Dodge Guy,

Thanks for your offer, but NO, out-of-state folks cannot help with this. But I certainly appreciate the encouragement.

Only Wisconsin citizens' registration will be of help.

Cheers,
Paul
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:06 pm

Congratulations! Your efforts are paying off! Our bill has progressed to Legislative Committees, which is where they review it and hold hearings on it. Keep up your hard work. We will continue to give direction as this keeps moving ahead.

The bill now has it's Legislative Names: SB-462 / AB-580.

IMPORTANT: Starting Now, use the Bill Name SB-462 / AB-580 in all communications with your legislators.



WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW:
Register IN-FAVOR For Hearings
We still need your support for the upcoming hearing/s on this bill. We will post the time/date of hearings, but you can register IN FAVOR of this bill now, on-line. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGJOU2dwWm0yenYzWFpHeEh6RF85b0E6MA
Note: You should only register once, but have every Wisconsin citizen you know register.
Note: The sign-in reads "SB-462 and it's Companion Assembly Bill" because of a delay in getting the AB # assigned. We can't change the heading now. This registers you for SB-462 / AB-580.

Contact the Transportation Committee Members
E-mail them all, or phone them all. Tell them that you support the Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Bill, and urge them to swiftly pass SB-462 / AB-580. Be short and polite. Here are the members of the Transportation Committees for the Senate and the Assembly:

Sen.Lazich@legis.wisconsin.gov chair 608 266-5400
Sen.Leibham@legis.wisconsin.gov vice-chair 608 266-2056
Sen.Lasee@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3512
Sen.Erpenbach@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-6670
Sen.Coggs@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-2500

Rep.Petrowski@legis.wisconsin.gov chair 608 266-1182
Rep.Farrow@legis.wi.gov vice-chair 608 266-5120
Rep.Ott@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-5831
Rep.Stone@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-8590
Rep.VanRoy@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-0616
Rep.Honadel@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-0610
Rep.Ripp@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3404
Rep.Endsley@legis.wi.gov 608 266-0656
Rep.Knilans@legis.wi.gov 608 266-7503
Rep.Steinbrink@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-0455
Rep.Vruwink@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-8366
Rep.BernardSchaber@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3070
Rep.Jorgensen@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3790
Rep.Bewley@legis.wi.gov 608 266-7690
Rep.Coggs@legis.wi.gov 608 266-0960

Stay Tuned For The Next Update...

For any new members of our notification group, click HERE for extra background info about the bill, including a plain-English (not Legalese) description of what the bill does and quotes from DOT workers which may shock you. http://www.alfaheaven.com/MilitarySection/WiscDotfile/OpenLtr.html
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:41 pm

To All,

Re: Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Bill - SB-462 / AB-580

Don't Let This Bill Die!


DOT is applying enormous pressure to try and kill this Bill. (That probably indicates how much this bill is in your best interests.) Without your efforts, they will succeed.

We expect a Public Hearing on this soon. We may not have much advance notice. STAY TUNED for updates, if you wish to attend. In case you have not yet registered IN FAVOR, do it on-line HERE.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGJOU2dwWm0yenYzWFpHeEh6RF85b0E6MA%20

Urgent Action Needed

Contact the following officials. They are listed in order of importance. Please contact them all, or at least reach the most important ones.

Tell Them:
* I am strongly IN SUPPORT of SB-462 / AB-580.
* I want you to move this bill to a vote before this session ends.
* I want you to VOTE YES on this bill.

Gov. Scott Walker
govgeneral@wisconsin.gov
608 262-1212

Sen. Scott Fitzgerald
Sen.Fitzgerald@legis.wisconsin.gov
608 266-5660

Rep. Jeff Fitzgerald
Rep.Fitzgerald@legis.wisconsin.gov
608 266-2540

Sen. Mary Lazich - Chair Senate Transportation Committee
Sen.Lazich@legis.wisconsin.gov
608 266-5400

Rep. Jerry Petrowski - Chair Assembly Transportation Committee
Rep.Petrowski@legis.wisconsin.gov
608 266-1182

Your Own Senator and Assembly Rep.
In case you do not know who they are, or how to contact them, please go the Wis. Legis. page, Who Are My Legislators? http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/waml/waml.aspx

The remaining Transportation Committee Members:
Sen.Leibham@legis.wisconsin.gov vice-chair 608 266-2056
Sen.Lasee@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3512
Sen.Erpenbach@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-6670
Sen.Coggs@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-2500

Rep.Farrow@legis.wi.gov vice-chair 608 266-5120
Rep.Ott@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-5831
Rep.Stone@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-8590
Rep.VanRoy@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-0616
Rep.Honadel@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-0610
Rep.Ripp@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3404
Rep.Endsley@legis.wi.gov 608 266-0656
Rep.Knilans@legis.wi.gov 608 266-7503
Rep.Steinbrink@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-0455
Rep.Vruwink@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-8366
Rep.BernardSchaber@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3070
Rep.Jorgensen@legis.wisconsin.gov 608 266-3790
Rep.Bewley@legis.wi.gov 608 266-7690
Rep.Coggs@legis.wi.gov 608 266-0960
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:08 am

To All,

Wisconsin Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Bill SB-462 / AB-580

Congratulations!

This is the official announcement that our bill has been scheduled for a Public Hearing before the Senate Committee on Transportation, Wed., Mar. 7th! Your calls and emails made this happen.

PLEASE READ:
You have a right to attend this hearing, but you do not need to. You can attend and register IN FAVOR of the bill, and you can speak before the Committee if you wish. BUT, because of time concerns, it might be better if most people did not speak.
Tom and I will both speak about the bill. We have also arranged for a handful of owners who have been particularly inconvenienced by the DMV to speak and tell their "horror tales". But beyond that, we have been asked to urge you to only register IN FAVOR (if you haven't already done it on-line HERE https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGJOU2dwWm0yenYzWFpHeEh6RF85b0E6MA), if you choose to attend the hearing. The committee schedule is very full, and we do not want to burden them with too much testimony.

HOW YOU CAN HELP
We still need to get this through the Assembly. Contact these two gentlemen. Urge them to work to move this bill forward.

Assy. Rep. Jeff Fitzgerald, Speaker of the Assembly
(608) 266-2540
Rep.Fitzgerald@legis.wisconsin.gov

Assy. Rep. Jerry Petrowski, Chairman Assembly Transportation Committee
(608) 266-1182
Rep.Petrowski@legis.wisconsin.gov


Thanks For Your Continued Hard Work & Support! We can do this!



Senate

PUBLIC HEARING

Committee on Transportation and Elections



The committee will hold a public hearing on the following items at the time specified below:

Wednesday, March 7, 2012
9:00 AM
411 South
State Capitol
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby Kevin Lockwood » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:19 am

I am cheering you on. Go Go Go. Wish I could help more.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:00 am

Kevin,

At this point, I don't think it will help. DOT's being very unfriendly to this bill. We're pushing hard on our legislators, and we don't want to cross the threshold into the "annoying" category. They only want to hear from their constituents.

Thanks for the offer though.

Paul
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:14 pm

The Senate Hearing is delayed by one day.

Rescheduled for Thursday, March 8th, 9am, State Capitol.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:52 am

To All,
I'm sort of decompressing right now. I'll add details later.
To say that yesterday was a long day is a vast understatement.
DOT admitted they'd been denying Collector plates due to radios in the car. !!
DOT stated that they are okay with repealing 341.10(6m), which means milvehs can again register as a normal vehicle. BUT, that remains to be SEEN.
The Senate Comm. has requested that we meet with DOT again... We will.
We're still pushing for passage this session, but with each passing day it gets less likely.
However, legislative support continues to grow.
To my surprise, there were two fellows who spoke in opposition.
More later. Today, I'm going to live MY life.
Thanks to all of you guys who've supported this fight. The appeals, open records requests, and push for a legislative solution continue unabated. Keep at it and we'll beat these holes.
Paul
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:55 pm

Wisconsin Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Bill SB-462 / AB-580

URGENT ALLERT ** ACTION NEEDED!

UPDATE:

Yesterday, the Bill was passed by the Senate Transportation Committee by a vote of 5-0, a unanimous vote!
Moments ago, the Bill just passed the full Senate with unanimous votes - 33-0!



This is great news, but we're not done yet.


DOT continually opposed the bill, and we were forced to make compromises at the request of various legislators. Multiple concessions were made, and we were ultimately left scrambling for even baby steps. Now that DOT has agreed to just one item, Assembly Republicans are blocking the bill by refusing to vote on it.


This is NOT the bill we wanted, but it is a step in the right direction, and it DOES help the most effected owners possible. (see details below) Assuming we are able to pass this bill, we can/will work next session to address the next item on the list.

WHAT YOU CAN DO:

Contact these three guys. Cut and Paste the following message to them:

cut & paste:


I STRONGLY SUPPORT SB-462/AB-580. It is a small, non-controversial bill which was passed unanimously by the Senate. It is supported by Rep. Petrowski and DOT-approved. I want you to do whatever it takes to secure a vote in the Assembly on this bill before the session ends this week.




Assy. Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald
(608) 266-2540
Rep.Fitzgerald@legis.wisconsin.gov

Assy. Representative Scott Suder
(608) 267-0280
Rep.Suder@legis.wisconsin.gov

Assy. Asst. Majority Leader Dan Knodl
(608) 266-3796
Rep.Knodl@legis.wisconsin.gov



Details on the amendments.
Amendment 1 was in response to DOT's concerns, as expressed in a meeting w/ Sen. Grothman.
Amendment 2 was reached with DOT, after the Public Hearing. Essentially, it deletes the inspection clause, and the change to Collector requirements. The bill now repeals just one of the statutes which direct DOT to refuse registration, 341.10(6m). Again, it's only one small step, but it is a change in the right direction.

This bill will effect Former Military Vehicles only. Please support this change for a small segment of our hobby, even if it isn't your own segment. We need to stay united to achieve the changes we want.

Due to opposition within various vehicle groups, we were forced to give up the other more controversial parts of the bill. We are disappointed, because we still believe the bill was good as written. But it faced too much opposition for passage. We will limit the scope of future legislative efforts, based on what we learned here.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:16 am

Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Bill SB-462 / AB-580

UPDATE

SUCCESS IN THE LEGISLATURE!


The Wisconsin legislature passed the repeal of 341.10(6m) on Friday.
It now just needs Gov. Walker's signature to become LAW.

This will restore regular registration for all 1969 and older ex military vehicles.

WHAT IS NEXT?

We are now in the process of arranging a meeting with DOT to discuss the other issues that you expressed support for.
********
We will address:

The list of items that are to be considered as modification by the DMV when processing Collector Plate applications.

The requirement that the manufacturer certification label remain intact 341.10(6). We hope that DOT will make an interim policy change as we cannot amend this statute until the next session.


URGENT ACTION NEEDED NOW!

Contact Gov. Walker and ask him to Sign this Bill into LAW.
E-Mail him at: govgeneral@wisconsin.gov
Call him at: (608) 266-1212


WE ARE WINNING

We have widespread support in the Legislature.

The changes you are helping to make will protect our cars and maintain the hobby for future generations.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby Old Dodge Guy » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:30 am

It sounds like things are going pretty good, glad to hear it. What are some of the compromises you discussed? Please elaborate on the list of modifications and the reference to the vehicle certifications? You are close to the action, but us "outsiders" :D need some references to connect the dots. Thank you for your work, and please continue to keep us posted!
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:46 pm

ODG,

We really didn't make any compromises about the legality of ex military trucks. If passed, the bill will still resolve the majority of the severe problems people were having in getting registration. However, the bill did evolve as it progressed.

During a meeting between the author (Sen. Grothman) and DOT's Krieser, DOT made a number of requests, which we incorporated into Amendment 1. Things like a way to avoid registration of Kei (Japanese Mini-Trucks), an acknowledgement of the federal exemption from FMVSS for vehicles older than 25 years, the authority to label titles of vehicles which lack FMVSS certification labels as "May Not Meet FMVSS Standards" (DOT wanted Does Not...), and a 9-month effective date (instead of 3 mo. as proposed), if I remember correctly.

That bill went before the Senate Transportation committee, but was killed on orders from up above. It was DEAD. Tom Zat then approached DOT with an offer: repeal only 341.10(6m), which was the major problem for milveh owners here, because it forced registration for HMV (parade & display uses only).

Perhaps because Tom is very persuasive, or maybe because DOT is tired of us dragging their hineys into Appeal court, or maybe just because we're right, DOT agreed to accept this change.

We are somewhat disappointed that we did not secure further changes. However, in Senate testimony DOT agreed in principal to most of the proposed changes. They agreed to meet this year, and to draft legislation which can be passed next session. The first meeting is being scheduled already. We've made a tremendous first step, and every owner in Wisconsin who supported this effort deserves credit.

We hope to:
Amend 341.10(6) so it accurately reflects Fed. law, and the 25 year exemption from FMVSS, so vehicles older than 25 years can no longer be denied registration for a lack of certification label.
Amend current Wis. Collector Plate requirements so as to allow minor modifications such as radial tires, safety glass, hubcaps, radio, color, etc.. yet still remain essentially "original".

It continues...
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:36 am

TO ALL,

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR EFFORTS!!

IT'S OFFICIAL. GOV. WALKER SIGNED OUR BILL INTO LAW YESTERDAY. SB-462 is now 2011 Wisconsin Act 235.

AS WE WROTE PREVIOUSLY, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH DOT FOR PASSAGE OF THE OTHER PROVISIONS WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BILL *:
RE-WRITE s.341.10(6) TO REFLECT FEDERAL LAW, SO VEHICLES OLDER THAN 25 YEARS ARE NOT DENIED REGISTRATION FOR LACK OF A CERTIFICATION LABEL.
AMEND COLLECTOR PLATE RULES TO ALLOW FOR MINOR MODIFICATIONS.

STAY TUNED AS THESE CHANGES MOVE FORWARD.

Cheers,
Paul




* NOTE: Based on previous opposition within the HotRod & Modified owners community, we will exclude Hobbyist vehicles from these changes. Please notify us if this is an incorrect understanding of owner's opinions.








SB-462 was signed by the Governor on 4-6-2012 2011 Wisconsin Act 235
Bill History: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2011/data/SB462hst.html
Relating to: registration of motor vehicles by the Department of Transportation.

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/proposals/sb462
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby gerrykan » Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:54 am

Congratulations to everyone in Wisconsin who took part in, and supported this effort. Good job folks!
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby Kevin Lockwood » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:30 am

Thanks!! :D
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