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Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:22 pm

As many Wisconsin owners have been painfully aware, one of the side-effects of last year's HMV law was that many owners have been denied regular registration options for their former military vehicles. Tom Zat (Alfa Heaven) and I have been working with and without DOT to try to correct this problem. The time has come to share some of our efforts.

The following is excerpted from an email sent today to Wis. vehicle enthusiasts:


To All Owners,

Please pass this email on to concerned vehicle enthusiasts.

I've promised you big news, and it's finally happening. DOT introduced a bill this past Monday, and we don't want there to be confusion about it. Our work is totally separate. Please read the following two major announcements:


Public Announcement of OUR UPCOMING BILL.

Wisconsin's Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Act

Our bill is nearly finished, and will soon have an identifying number. At that time, we'll help you contact your legislator and register your support. Please do not contact them until we have the Bill number.

We can release a lot of the specifics. To read the official Analysis of the proposed bill, please click here http://www.alfaheaven.com/MilitarySection/WiscDotfile/OpenLtr.html You can also see who is involved at DOT, and read several quotes and emails from them.

We will provide the actual numbered bill soon. Again, please do not contact your legislators about this bill until we have an actual bill number. (Contacting them without a bill number causes confusion.)




HMV (Historic Military Vehicle) Registration News
Another bill has just been introduced into the legislature, which only effects former-military vehicles with HMV plates. We believe it has been introduced at the request of WisDOT, in an attempt to appease owners and lessen support for our efforts here. If passed, the bill will give vehicles with HMV plates only slightly expanded uses: parades, car shows, club activities, exhibitions, and tours. But no legal trips to Menards, or the drive-in.

We believe this bill is a good bill for people who want the HMV plate, and we support their efforts.
What we see as the problem with LRB3349/1:
We believe that vehicles which meet applicable equipment standards deserve the option to be registered for normal uses.

This bill is okay, as far as it goes. But, vehicles like Blazers and pickups, which meet applicable safety standards are still denied Annual, Collector, Hobbyist, or Farm plates as an option. Many people want these vehicles to use them, not just put them on display. This bill does not go far enough.

The HMV bill which was passed in 2010 allows the registration of former military vehicles, even if those vehicles do not meet applicable equipment requirements. It allows for very inexpensive permanent HMV registration, but because the vehicles may not meet requirements, it places extreme restrictions on the use of the vehicle.

But the majority of former military vehicles were built in full compliance with federal equipment requirements applicable for the year of manufacture, and meet current Wis. state requirements as well. These vehicles deserve the option to be registered for normal uses. This bill does not correct that problem. Our bill will.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby gerrykan » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:56 pm

Good luck Paul, and the others in Wisconsin affected by the past DOT decisions.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby Kevin Lockwood » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:51 am

Let's hope Wisconsin can come together and turn back the WisDOT ogre. Paul and his associates proved beyond doubt that the DOT were not invincible. We're pulling for you!
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:51 pm

We have a bill!
Urgent action is requested.
The actual bill is posted on Alfa Heaven's website. http://www.alfaheaven.com/MilitarySection/WiscDotfile/OpenLtr.html (you may need to hit "refresh" if you've been there recently.)

This is the first of several actions we need supporters to take. There will be more steps, so stay alert!

This is the Legislative Alert, sent today from Sen. Glen Grothman's office:

February 3, 2012

ATTENTION WI MOTOR VEHICLE ENTHUSIAST:

You are receiving this email because you have contacted our office in the past regarding your concerns about TRANS 123 (which has been temporarily defeated) or other vehicle registration issues. Your action is needed to support a bill that is being introduced by Senator Glenn Grothman.

ACTION ITEMS:

1. See the memo below circulated to the legislature today which includes a summary of the bill. If you would like to read the bill it is attached to this email. NOTICE THE SHORT DEADLINE, PLEASE ACT NOW!

2. Contact your both of your Wisconsin State Legislators and tell them to COSPONSOR LRB 3267/1. If you don't know who they are please follow this link: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/waml/waml.aspx

3. Forward this email to all of your friends and family and ask them to do the same.

4. Stay tuned for more alerts in the following weeks as we garner support for the bill and move it through the legislative process. We will need your help in the future!

Thank you for your attention and if you have any questions don't hesitate to contact our office at 608-266-7513 or sen.grothman@legis.wisconsin.gov


<<11-32671.pdf>>

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From: Sen.Grothman
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:47 AM
To: *Legislative All Assembly; *Legislative All Senate
Subject: SHORT DEADLINE Co-Sponsorship of: The Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Act LRB 3267/1

FROM: Senator Glenn Grothman

608-266-7513 or sen.grothman@legis.wisconsin.gov

DATE: February 3, 2012

RE: Co-Sponsorship request for LRB 3267/1 The Registration Rights Act


SHORT DEADLINE: Thursday, February 9, 2012.


Currently Wisconsin offers many ways to register vehicles; regular, hobbyist, collector, farm, etc. Many types of motor vehicle registration impart operating restrictions ranging from regular registration, which is minimally restrictive, through HMV registration in which a vehicle can only be used to and from special events.

Up until a few years ago Wisconsin residents enjoyed the freedom to own and proudly drive on the roads their vehicle of choice. Due to WI DOT cutting budgets and nonsensical internal philosophies, the agency has been relying more and more on their computer technology to cut corners. This is very problematic when dealing with the large variety of vehicles on the road today.

Many citizens are being improperly denied the registration of their choice based on such insignificant factors as a radio, color, or hubcaps. I found that most of the problems stem from the WI DOT's interpretation of prohibitions based on vehicle condition or equipment and in many cases the citizen's options for proving compliance are limited or impossible. In other cases, vehicles that were previously registered here in Wisconsin are now being denied registration upon change of ownership.

WI DOT's actions have adversely affected citizens, and have had a detrimental impact on the agricultural, forestry, construction, and automotive industries. Their actions have also lead to multiple costly as well as time consuming appeals and ongoing problems for constituents.

This bill was created to address numerous citizen concerns as to the registration of motor vehicles in Wisconsin.

LRB 3267/1 Does the Following:

Repeals a state statute that contains an obsolete reference in law, and has created confusion and misapplication.
Repeals a statute that has taken legally-complying vehicles off the road.
Prevents monetary losses to citizens encountered when a formerly-legal vehicle is reduced to non-highway-legal status for the sake of clerical convenience within the department.
Gives residents the ability to have second chance if the DOT denies registration. The bill repeals two prohibitions which were problematic for motor vehicle owners and instead applies an existing inspection procedure to determine minimum applicable standards to make a vehicle eligible for regular registration. This bill still allows the DOT to deny registration if they have concerns about vehicle condition or equipment, but in the event the application is denied; LRB 3267/4 provides a simple and low-cost way for the owner to verify compliance with the requirements.
Reduces fiscal impact by the citizen bearing the cost of an inspection versus the state employees expending substantial time and resources to determine eligibility.
Makes a change to the requirements for collector car registration by allowing vehicles which have been minimally modified (such as for improved safety or drivability) to register as a collector, so long as they do not substantially alter the vehicle. Thus, remaining true to the intent of the collector plate registration.
If you would like to cosponsor LRB 3267/1 please contact Sen. Grothman's office at 608-266-7513 or sen.grothman@legis.wisconsin.gov by Thursday February 9, 2012.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby creinemann » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:35 pm

Sent my letters of support out today!
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:39 pm

Thanks Carl. Every single person counts. We appreciate your support.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby Kevin Lockwood » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:54 pm

Way to GO!!! :D Here's hoping the MV community in Wisconsin recognizes this is their chance to stand together.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:49 am

We're getting huge support from the Wis. milveh community, and now we're hearing back from the motorcycle groups as well.

Tom visited with the Superior club yesterday, and filled them in on both bills. Obviously, he went to talk about our Registration Rights Bill, but he stressed the positives in the other bill too. We see no reason why both bills wouldn't benefit owners.

Remember, there is a 1 wk deadline for cosponsors.

Call your legislators today, and urge them to cosponsor LRB-3267/1


Thanks to everybody for your support.

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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:36 pm

To All,

This is an open letter to you, from Sen. Grothman's aide Regina, with whom we've been working to draft the bill:

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kolbow, Regina" <Regina.Kolbow@legis.wisconsin.gov>
Date: February 6, 2012 8:23:00 PM CST
Subject: CLARIFICATION: WI LEGISLATIVE ALERT - MOTOR VEHICLE ENTHUSIAST -YOUR ACTION NEEDED

I am writing to clarify the intent of LRB 3267/1 The Registration Rights Act. There seems to be some confusion and I want to illuminate a few things. First, Senator Grothman is a supporter and protector of the collector car industry and all the specialty vehicles in this state. He is also a recognized SEMA legislative member. (SEMA supports our bill by the way, but they are waiting to speak out on it until it gets a bill number)

I am going to make an incredible long story short so if you want the long version call me....

Over the last few years we have seen the Wisconsin DOT become increasingly hostile towards specialty vehicles owners (collector cars, imports, military vehicles, anything not a Prius, etc). Most of you are aware of the TRANS 123 show down in which we temporarily stopped an extremely damaging administrative code proposal to the collector hobby. The problem is that the people in the DOT who are behind that administrative code proposal still work at the DOT and their philosophies will continue to assault specialty vehicle ownership until the Legislature passes a law to stop them. LRB 3267/1 is an attempt to protect ALL vehicle owners and LOOSEN current registration restrictions.

The following are a few examples of what has lead to this bill - this is however only a drop in the bucket. CURRENTLY the DOT has asked owners to produce paperwork that never existed or no longer exists. If they can't or don't, registration is denied. Other times the DOT claims a car doesn't meet safety standards even if the vehicle clearly does and they deny registration. The owner has no ability to get a second opinion except through a costly and time consuming court appeal. The DOT has also made owners jump through many hoops at great cost to them, to only in the end deny registration anyway. OUR BILL LRB 3267/1 is an attempt to stop this nonsense. We can't guarantee that this is a cure-all because the DOT I am sure will continue to cause trouble, but this is a step in the right direction. If you would like other examples of the DOT garbage our bill is attempting to stop, let me know.

Some folks are wondering "why the 5 alarm fire". It's not one. (Note: the legislative session ends in April and our bill has the best chances of passing in the current political environment) This bill has been in the process of being drafted for the last six months. We had to get it written right first. That is why you haven't heard about this bill until now. Introducing a bill and asking other legislators for support is the first part of the legislative process. We do have limited time to get the bill through the legislature and get the Governor to sign it. So things will move quickly in the next month or so.

The more support we can garner the faster this thing will move. That is why it is so crucial that you contact your legislators and ask them to sign on. If you have contacted your legislators and either sent a vague email or have come out a against this bill, it is imperative that you contact them via their office phone number and clarify your position. You need to specify that you support LRB 3267/1 - this will cut down on any confusion inside the Capitol. Also, please forward this to your friends and family - anyone who also needs some clarification and can help us get this bill passed.

Thank you for your time and attention!

Sincerely,

Regina Kolbow
Office of Senator Grothman
Room 10 South, State Capitol
Phone: 608-266-7513
Toll Free: 1-800-662-1227

Senator Grothman's State of the Family Report

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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:33 pm

We continue to gain co-sponsors. The deadline for co-sponsorship is tomorrow. Make contact tomorrow!
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby creinemann » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:13 am

Please continue to keep us informed, and if and when any public involvement meetings are taking place.
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:04 am

Today is the final day for legislators to sign on to co-sponsor this bill. If you haven't called your Wisconsin legislators yet, do it today!

Carl, and others,

I do intend to post updates here. But if you want to be included in our direct email list, please send an email to MVRegistrationRights@yahoo.com or pm me through the GBoard. Either way, I'll get you added to the list.

As busy as we've been with this, sometimes I'm late in getting it posted here.

Thank You to all who help to support this bill!!
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:00 am

The Co-Sponsorship period is over. YOUR efforts paid off. Remember, this is just STEP ONE.

We have gathered several additional Co-Sponsors to the bill. Here is the full list of Sponsors:

Senators: Grothman, Erpenbach, and Wanggaard

Assembly Representatives: Wynn, Petrowski, Strachota, Thiesfeldt, Endsley, Kestell, Kerkman, Stroebel,
Marklein, A. Ott, and Krug

This is a pretty good showing, given the political climate in Wis. right now.

We anticipate the bill getting a Senate Bill number on Monday. More news then.

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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby undysworld » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:58 am

Basic information about the Wisconsin Motor Vehicle Registration Rights Bill is available at Alfa Heaven http://www.alfaheaven.com/.

YOUR efforts have paid off. Enough comments reached the legislators that we got several to sign on as Co-Sponsors.

We have now reached Phase 2. Our bill has reached the legislature, and will now be heard by the Senate and Assembly Transportation Committees. Members of both committees have signed on as co-sponsors of the bill. We met with most of the committee members and other influential legislators and/or their staff to answer any questions they might have. Our bill has strong bi-partisan support.

There will be either joint or separate hearings held as soon as next week. We will announce the date/time as soon as it is announced. You may attend the hearing/s, but it is not necessary that you do in order to voice your opinion. You can sign up, on-line, IN FAVOR of SB-462 and it's companion Assembly Bill. You only need to enter your name and address. It's easy and can be done in one step. Click HERE, to register IN FAVOR. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGJOU2dwWm0yenYzWFpHeEh6RF85b0E6MA

If you decide to attend the hearing, you can choose to speak or not, but either way you can register IN FAVOR of the bill. We will have several key people scheduled to speak and answer the legislators questions. Having too many people speak may actually be detrimental to our efforts, because the hearing schedule is very tight and we do not want to overwhelm the committees with too much testimony. Simply registering IN FAVOR, either in person or on-line is sufficient.

If you are unable or otherwise unwilling to register on-line, there are other options. You can call us with your information, and we will add you to the list. Paul - 608 437-3465 or Tom - 715 449-2141

THIS IS NOT THE END. We will likely need to take other steps to ensure the passage of our bill. Please stay tuned and involved.

Thank You for your continued support and efforts,
Paul Underwood
Tom Zat
Curt Rymkus

Please forward this email to any concerned citizens.

If YOU wish to be added to our group email notification list, please email us at:
MVRegistrationRights@Yahoo.com
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Re: Wis. Motor Veh. Registration Rights Act

Postby Old Dodge Guy » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:08 am

Paul,
would it be good for out of staters to call and support the bill, or would that be detrimental? Of course, I very much support your efforts, but sometimes outsiders can upset things. Let us know if we can be of help.
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