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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Rickf » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:28 am

I think Texas is one of the easier states to get a title or registration in. They will probably assign you a VIN number since 76 would normally call for a 17 digit number. In the 60's they used 11 digit numbers and even that can screw up the DMV computers now a days if the vehicle was never titled in the past.
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by txdodge43man » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:31 am

Not to worried about the title right now as Texas has changed a few laws and is making it harder. Just want to get the correct information to put on a new data plate since this one is missing. I will need the data plat on the jeep if I have to take it to the DPS office to verify that it is what the paperwork say.
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Fil Bonica » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:40 pm

If you can , strip back the wrapping on the harness where it wont be noticed.
Look at the printing on the wires. It will give you a month and year date.
Another potential indicator of the vehicles age.
Another detail, have an A2 that i bought in Canada some time ago with its original dataplate intact.
It carried an early AMG contract date
Ken ran the tub number and it was built on a 79 contract.
The Canadians keep records from the beginning and after they are junked.
Records show where the vehicle body was probably changed and later junked
Fun stuff to find!
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Rickf » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:26 am

Ken must have missed your body tag picture, I will pm him and remind him to check it out.
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Rickf » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:45 am

He didn't miss it, I missed hie reply.

The body-tag you found confirms the likelihood of the "hood" number being the correct one for the vehicle and it also confirms that it is a 1976 contract. That horn (or at least the plate) is from a later vehicle or from a NOS source.

Hope this helps......
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by txdodge43man » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:52 am

ok thanks Im going to list it as a 1976 year of manufacture on the new Data tag and do the "Hood number" and B151-##### as the VIN number on the data tag. thanks for the help
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by stb » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:27 am

So is it save to say

Year of manufacture is 1976

Vin number should be NBOHNY B151-2542

Contract # DAAE07-76-D-0002

?

NO, B151-2542 is just your body number, and was not used for any record keeping purposes. It does not appear in any official records, and can not be used to identify a vehicle. Your actual serial number is B151-61448, based on your reg number NB0HNY. Your vehicle identification number as stamped on the dash plate is NB0HNY B151-61448.
When the DAAE07-76-D-0002 contract production started, a new body serial numbering, with B151 prefix, was also started, and numbers were now placed on a tag on the transmission tunnel.
The serial numbering, now also with B151 prefix, was continued from the previous 1971 contract, that's why the serial number is so much higher than the body number.

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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Rickf » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:36 am

stb wrote:So is it save to say

Year of manufacture is 1976

Vin number should be NBOHNY B151-2542

Contract # DAAE07-76-D-0002

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NO, B151-2542 is just your body number, and was not used for any record keeping purposes. It does not appear in any official records, and can not be used to identify a vehicle. Your actual serial number is B151-61448, based on your reg number NB0HNY. Your vehicle identification number as stamped on the dash plate is NB0HNY B151-61448.
When the DAAE07-76-D-0002 contract production started, a new body serial numbering, with B151 prefix, was also started, and numbers were now placed on a tag on the transmission tunnel.
The serial numbering, now also with B151 prefix, was continued from the previous 1971 contract, that's why the serial number is so much higher than the body number.

Where did you come up with the 61448 number? He does not have the original dash plate but he does have the original dash plate ID number, NBOHNY. Just pulling a number out of the air is taking the chance of conflicting with someone else who actually has number 61448 and then BOTH of those vehicles could be confiscated by the authorities until it is straightened out as to whom has the original and whom has the fake.
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by stb » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:59 am

Wow, that was fast.
Be assured I didn't pull that number out of the air. Where it comes from doesn't matter.
You are welcome to use my information.
If NB0HNY is the true, correct, reg number to that vehicle, B151-61448 is the correct serial number.
If somebody is already using B151-61448 for another vehicle, it is the wrong number, and if any vehicle should be confiscated because of that, that's the one.

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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Rickf » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:59 am

Sir, you will have to excuse my speculation but you come on a forum with only 13 posts and claim to have information that nobody else has been about to procure in all of the years I have been involved with 151's. That is why I find it a little strange that you have this information. The military destroyed the databases when they demilled the vehicles. I know of one person that was able to find some information on last assignment of vehicles based on whole numbers but this was not the question. And how do you know it is not one or two digits off in either direction? And those one or two digits in the second or third position could be substantial! When you are definitively saying that you KNOW for a fact that this is the right number for this vehicle and any other vehicle with this number is a fake then that is a strong and legally liable statement that deserves some explanation on how you came up with the information.
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by stb » Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:07 pm

OK, Mr. Rickf, so You ''find it a little strange'' that i have this information because I only have 13 posts in this forum?
There are probably thousands of people having this and/or other M151 related information, that don't even come to this forum (and not to the G838), and that You have never heard of, because they either just dont care about M151s, or don't care to help collectors knowing some interesting details about their vehicles.
Regarding Your question ''information that nobody else has been about to procure in all of the years I have been involved with 151's'' : there is a first time for everything.

The military destroyed the databases? Which military are You talking about?

How do I know it is not off one or two digits? In fact, I don't know. Anything is possible. It could, but why should it? When there are errors in the data base, they are quite obvious usually.
I also did NOT say this number belongs to this vehicle, I said: IF, I repeat: if NB0HNY is the true, correct, reg number to that vehicle, B151-61448 is the correct serial number.
In other words: NB0HNY = B151-61448. That's all i said.
So this is certainly not ''a strong and legally liable statement''.
I am giving this info to txdodge43man for the sake of historical accuracy. He may as well use the body number safely as a VIN, but as we all know, the body number just isn't the serial number, so this isn't much more historically accurate than a VIN assigned by the DMV.
And, BTW, I also happen to know the truck's last assignment.

I do not know if NB0HNY is the vehicle's true registration number, but it sure looks like it is: it is a 1976 reg number, the body number is a 1976 contract number, as far as I can see from the pictures, everything looks right, but it is up to the owner to decide wether he wants to go by that painted-on reg number, or not.
As long as You don't have the original dash plate in place, factory installed by AMG with the original steel pop rivets, You will never know for sure.
Somebody could have changed the hood, or the windshield frame, or painted on the wrong reg number. These are things that I do not know.

Where I got all that info from: Ask me no questions....Sorry, I got it from other people, and I will not post their names or anything personal in a public forum, nor will i post other people's serial numbers or other vehicle information without them asking me to do so. I hope You understand. Thank You.

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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by txdodge43man » Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:49 am

Gentleman you both bring up good points on the serial number. I will probably use the body number on the data tag that way is matches and the dmv should not give me issues. This jeep will be on display at a museum here in Houston tx so I plan to restore it back to the way it last left the army paint markings and all.

This form has been a weath of knowledge for me and I know that there can be errors and issues with what people say on the Internet so I do take things with a grain of salt until it's proven to be correct. Rick I agin thank you for your help on this thread.

Stb you have peaked my interests can you please tell me or pm me the last assignment for this mutt? I am getting ready to head to the museum to work on the A2 and plan to sand and uncover as many unit markings that I can find.
1943 MB "Puddle Jumper II"
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1968 m274A5
1976 m151a2 "Kermit"
1968 M416
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Fil Bonica » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:48 am

It is a fascinating discussion!
What STB has is a resource similar to what Ken has that allows for a lot of history to come forward .
I would like to encourage its use if it doesnt expose its sender to any risk.
Wiki Leaks all over!
Rick , I am sure there are lots of people out there with similar intelligence.
We need to encourage their input so we can fill in the blanks .

Just my two cents.

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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by Rickf » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:30 am

I am sure that any database that involves M-151 serial numbers is NOT secure nor classified but I am done with this conversation. I asked legitimate questions and was told that "thousands of people have this information". Great, should be easy to find from now on then. And I NEVER asked for anyone else's serial numbers by the way. Nor did I ask for anyone else's names. I hope his is legit and I hope you continue to help people. I know a guy that lost his M-35 when he went to title it due to this very scenario, that was 8 years ago and both his and the other persons vehicles are still impounded waiting for clarification that probably will never come. If you want to continue tohis conversation then I can be PM'd or e-mailed through the the site.
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Re: new to me M151a2

Post by txdodge43man » Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:33 am

Well got the water pump off good news the cooling system did have some water left in it so a good flush and I'm taking the radiator to be cleaned and repaired. the water pump on the other hand is frozen so a new pump it is also new thermostat, hoses and gaskets lol. Hope to get the mutt running in the next month or so as the fuel tank will need to be cleaned along with carb rebuild and fuel pump rebuild.

Who's got new fuel pumps and carb kits that are not NOS? Or that are Ethanol friendly kits

I'm not wanting to use NOS crab kits as the ones my dad uses on his m715 and a friend has been using on his A2 do not last with this ethanol fuel.

Tried to sand the rear bumpers to read the unit markings the one I thought was 549 MP turned out to be 549 M I (military Intelligence). also on top of the 549 MI was numbers I believe incomplete that i still have to research "google". 5A90ARCOM but I'm not sure on the A and the O in that. Passenger side bumper has A-? number was to far gone to read.
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1943 MB "Puddle Jumper II"
1943 MBT
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