Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by David V » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:30 am

Thanks I am reassured.

Now this afternoon I was watching an English DVD on jeeps and noticed that the MB they were using had a capstan winch.
But there was what looked like a metal brace that holds the on-off lever in place. I imagined at first to stop it from it from engaging by mistake.
Only looking at the photo blown up it looks like it could just be a fake handle because it is in the engaged position but then I wondered why there was the brace.
The scene only lasted a few seconds so these are 2 screen captures from that bit. Hope the film-makers will not mind...
The winch looks like it is used seeing the oil around the filler plug.
This is home made ?
A good idea anyway ?
Anyone else have one ?
Any ideas ?
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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by Gustl » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:26 am

David V wrote:But there was what looked like a metal brace that holds the on-off lever in place. I imagined at first to stop it from it from engaging by mistake.
Only looking at the photo blown up it looks like it could just be a fake handle because it is in the engaged position but then I wondered why there was the brace.
The scene only lasted a few seconds so these are 2 screen captures from that bit. Hope the film-makers will not mind...
The winch looks like it is used seeing the oil around the filler plug.
This is home made ?
A good idea anyway ?
Anyone else have one ?
Any ideas ?
David
My guess would be that this is one of these repro kits powered by 6V.
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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by Alasdair Brass » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:53 am

I have heard of someone having a catastrophic failure after someone at a show engaged the winch without the owner knowing and he was doing 40 mph on the road home when the driveshaft and associated parts disintegrated. Maybe this is some type of lock to keep it out of gear.

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Post by David V » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:41 pm

This is what I thought. Looking closer it looks like that.
I noticed on these photos that there was still a hole for the handcrank through the bumper.
With my mounting plate in place, half the hole is covered up. Normal ?
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Post by Alasdair Brass » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:17 pm

Hi David,
The crankhole opening is blocked on mine too.

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Post by Cobra Doc » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:12 pm

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Post by ElwoodJayBlues » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:36 am

That very jeep is pictured in one of the newest jeep books on the market.
I bought that book in Beltring from Mark Askew.

It's not one of those electric winches

The winch is all stock, except from the fact that the winch itself is painted black (you can see that on the pics) and the bracket pictured.
As already mentioned it is there to keep the winch from enganging itself while driving.
My guess is that the owner messed up the poppet ball and spring setup somehow...


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Post by DavidA » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:20 pm

Discussion about shear pins and protection for the winch led me to this. The winch may well be protected by a shear pin but I have two examples of the winch that were damaged by overloading. Whether or not they had a shear pin is unknown to me as I only got the winch heads and not the drive mech's but as you can see in this photo, the sprague gear/clutch which is in the center of the big brass gear is welded to the insert it rides in. This welding was necessitated by the failure of the sprague gear which cracked under pressure. Both were welded and it is a temporary fix however with the sprague clutch inoperable, the capstan head cannot be rotated in reverse by hand. Instead of being able to take your wraps around the head and pull to tighten, you would have to take slack out of the line by hand somehow.

Try turning your capstan in reverse and you will see that it freely rotates. If it doesn't, you may have the same problem these two winches had. :cry:

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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by Gustl » Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:59 am

check this one. First time I see one in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WtfOHulP7U
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Post by Alasdair Brass » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:52 am

Thanks for the clip. He shouldn't be running the engine so fast, hard on the drive system.

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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by David V » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:16 am

Thanks for the video. This is also the first time I see a capstan running. I didn't realize you could just slacken off the rope to stop it gripping and so making it a one-man operation.
And that you had to engage the winch before starting the engine.
This was really informative although I was surprised too to hear the engine running quite high.
Can't wait to find the rest of my missing parts and get mine going.

I also saw that Ron sells capstan winch gaskets on his site... good news.

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Post by DavidA » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:58 pm

A bargain? For Sale - $1500 Not mine…but boy if I had the $$
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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by jeepernick » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:11 am

I hsve my doubts about the plate look closely and you can see its welded in 2 corners of the set ridge origialls are not welded anywhere
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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by Phil » Wed May 14, 2014 11:16 pm

Hello From France, Gentlemens !
I know nothing about the capstan winch. But I found a mouting plate for the winch.
My question is for the braden J-2 specialists : is there, during WWII, differents models for the mounting plate ?
I ask the question because I saw lot of pics on the internet of the capstan, and saw the drawings in the Branden manual. Also, I saw pics of the reproduction plate that a wellknow jeepparts dealer sells.
On this reproduction, you see a little plate, behind the grill of the jeep. This little plate is a bracket. it looks like the Ford horn bracket : there is a "V".
And on the reproduction, you see this V. Others capstan pics, on the internet, have a plate with this V.
On the manual, I don't see this "V".
The mounting plate I found dont have the little plate with this V.
So, my question is : is there, during WWII, differents models for the mounting plate ? (I know that the post-war mouting plate is tottaly different).
Second question : during WWII, did all the mounting plates have a marking with arrows and "In" and "out" ? My mouting plate is VERY rusty. I d'ont see any markings.
Thanks for you help, and sorry for my poor english !! ...
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Re: Braden Capstan Winch - Spare Parts - Discussion

Post by Phil » Thu May 15, 2014 4:14 am

I found that my plate is the same that in the link posted by DavidA. But difficult to see in the pics if there is the arrows and the markings "In" and "Out" ...

So, I don't know if this model is correct for WWII ...


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